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Offline Arvinger

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 12:58:11 PM »
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    I agree that the chastisement will probably happen, but it won't be because its inevitable, but because the world probably will not repent of its numerous sins and Russia will not be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary anytime soon.


    So the chastisement has not already happened according to you?
    What is even the timeline on this prophecy, it's been 70 to 100 years already.

    "When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to* punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father."


    *in 70-100 years more or less


    It has happened only partly so far. The final, most severe chastisement in which majority of humanity will likely perish is yet ahead of us - probably it'll be Three Days of Darkness, WW3 or fire from the sky which Our Lady warned about in Akita (or perhaps combination of these). Several chastisements already happened, but majority of the western world is still oblivious of it and gladly indulged in sin.  

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    « Reply #16 on: January 07, 2016, 02:32:50 PM »
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    The official tone of Newchurch was set in 1962, and it persists to this day:

    Quote from: John XXIII
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    Pessimistic Voices

    In the daily exercise of Our pastoral office, it sometimes happens that We hear certain opinions which disturb Us—opinions expressed by people who, though fired with a commendable zeal for religion, are lacking in sufficient prudence and judgment in their evaluation of events. They can see nothing but calamity and disaster in the present state of the world. They say over and over that this modern age of ours, in comparison with past ages, is definitely deteriorating. One would think from their attitude that history, that great teacher of life, had taught them nothing. They seem to imagine that in the days of the earlier councils everything was as it should be so far as doctrine and morality and the Church's rightful liberty were concerned.

    We feel that We must disagree with these prophets of doom, who are always forecasting worse disasters, as though the end of the world were at hand.

    A Basis For Optimism

    Present indications are that the human family is on the threshold of a new era. We must recognize here the hand of God, who, as the years roll by, is ever directing men's efforts, whether they realize it or not, towards the fulfillment of the inscrutable designs of His providence, wisely arranging everything, even adverse human fortune, for the Church's good.

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    The Right Way To Suppress Error

    In these days, which mark the beginning of this Second Vatican Council, it is more obvious than ever before that the Lord's truth is indeed eternal. Human ideologies change. Successive generations give rise to varying errors, and these often vanish as quickly as they came, like mist before the sun.

    The Church has always opposed these errors, and often condemned them with the utmost severity. Today, however, Christ's Bride prefers the balm of mercy to the arm of severity. She believes that, present needs are best served by explaining more fully the purport of her doctrines, rather than by publishing condemnations.

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    Any talk of "chastisement" is shunned, and the topic is swept under the rug.  

    Newchurch wants Fatima dead, buried and forgotten.

    No more condemnation of error, but instead "the balm of mercy."  BYW, mercy does not heal anything, when error is allowed to fester without opposition.

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    « Reply #17 on: January 08, 2016, 12:05:43 AM »
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  • It is important NEVER to give up and think it's all over and that the worst of the chastisement is a necessity!

    The Lord told Sr. Lucia that "it is never too late to call upon the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!"  Sr. Lucia told Fr. Fuentes in a famous interview, which he had with her, that the Lord had revealed to her that He was giving a new efficacy to the Rosary in our times -- and that there is nothing, no problem at all, that cannot be solved by the praying of the Rosary!

    So, while we are indeed undergoing a form of chastisement in the collapse of the Catholic Faith, under the influence of bad clerics, as Our Lady prophesied at LaSalette, Fatima, Garabandal and Akita, let us continue to pray the Rosary -- and never give up!!  - and ask that we be spared from the worst!

    It is a blessing that Fr. Kramer is going to take over Fr. Gruner's work!  Does anyone know if this is now going on -- or is it something for the future, when he is feeling better?

    Let us pray for Fr. Kramer! -- and never think that the worst of the chastisement has to happen!!

    Sweet Heart of Mary, be our salvation!   :pray:

    Fatima girl --

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    « Reply #18 on: January 08, 2016, 07:52:06 AM »
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  • Folk are happy as they, thank you very much. Bergoglio shows his bleached humility and Obama sheds a tear or two; what wonderful guardians! How can disaster visit us when our leaders reveal such humanity? The gods would be so mean to chastise us for their own selfish ends!

    The point is the errors and heresies have been ushered into society by leaders of established institutions, so they would hardly declare them as such and make reparation. For them the new moral order is the way forward and those that disagree can receive the opprobrium of the establishment, the human consensus and history. So what is to be done? Those passive among us can pray for the chastisement to come and come quickly; the active ones like Fr. Kramer can seemingly continue their futile gestures in the hope that one day someone in authority sees the light  ......  or shield themselves from daily perversities as best they can and provide for the worst to come.

    The more affluent societies have decided that heaven is to be found on earth and there is only space for religion if it can give some spiritual gloss to their earthly complacency. They have learnt not to expect disaster in their back yards because magicians in office have all the answers. They can conjure wealth out of the sky and destroy distant enemies by pressing buttons. All we need in life is technology and clever economists. Followed by a painless drug-induced death.    



       

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    « Reply #19 on: January 10, 2016, 01:36:20 AM »
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  • With all that is going on, it seems important for us to all hear Fr. Gruner's important discussion of the last interview that Sr. Lucia gave on Fatima before she was silenced by the Vatican.  This interview is called the Fr. Fuentes interview.

    Here is the link to it:


    Let us hear and heed it -- and pass it on!

    Fatima girl


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    « Reply #20 on: January 10, 2016, 01:53:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: Fatimagirl
    With all that is going on, it seems important for us to all hear Fr. Gruner's important discussion of the last interview that Sr. Lucia gave on Fatima before she was silenced by the Vatican.  This interview is called the Fr. Fuentes interview.

    Here is the link to it:


    Let us hear and heed it -- and pass it on!

    Fatima girl


     :facepalm:

    I'll pass, but not pass it on.

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    « Reply #21 on: January 18, 2016, 01:10:33 AM »
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  • A letter of Fr Chazal to a certain faithful  concerning Fr Kramer has been published in another forum:

    Dear ---------,

    Fr Kramer is a sedealterist, and i wrote on the topic. About a year ago on Cathinfo.

    The position of the Society is that sede priests are not to be disturbed if they don't make it an obligation and disturb others. Must i change that stance now that i am in the resistance? I think the Archbishop was wiser than others on this. The sspx was always happy to take money from sede priests, Fr Schaeffer, Fr Raffali. Fr Kramer is not giving us anything and, because of his poor health is giving us worries more than helps, as we have the heavy burden of Fr aSuelo to carry as well, but i guarantee you he is a very interesting person to have, i hope he will keep the Fatima Crusader on its tracks. He does not want to lead it, but hand it over to Brother Andre once it is made safe from xspx weaseling maneuvers. Moreover the sedealterist position of Fr Kramer discredit further sedevacantism, in the sense that it shows further that the question of the eclipse of the Faith in the successor of Peter is a gordian knot. Beyond separating from heretics, there is not much we can claim to affirm on the office bearer in Rome. We leave it to other times, to better theologians than us. To me sedevacantism is a sort of presumption, and very antinomic. I think unwittingly Fr Kramer evidences this.

    On jurisdiction, i cannot even give you absolution if i don't have jurisdiction. We do not claim to have more than supplied Jurisdiction, yet we follow canonical rules as much as we can. We are opposed to the idea that this type of jurisdiction allows us to ignore the common law of normal times: pretty much the contrary, we must strive to do our best to follow the wisdom of the Church, have canonical records, a three tiered hierarchy, tribunals, exactly as Archbishop Lefebvre told us to have. Bishop Fellay is handing over judicial matters to novus ordo officialities who are criminal themselves. He is making a great mistake.

    In the "Renaissance Catholique" crisis in 1989, the Archbishop clearly stated the principles, and as you can see all over Austrasia there are hardly any transfers, because we are through with the instability of sspx pastors in general, who always get replaced once they know their flock. You have to understand we have also our customs and bylaws... we really want to help your souls, but for us a lay committee telling the priest what to do is verboten. I would upbraid fr Picot if he allowed it.

    Again, let me repeat myself, i brought Fr Valan and Mc Donald, because they can help you with their advice to understand our position, and they are involved into assisting Fr Picot s apostolate.
    The committee claims the administration of the apostolate in -------, and this is not a purely lay matter. But, for instance, i do encourage you to organize yourselves for establishing a school, of which we would be just the Chaplains. The failure of the xspx in that domain and our overextension calls for such a lay independent operation.

    So, no, dear -----------, i am no clericalist, but i will not complicate Fr Picot s apostolate. If you have grievances, bring them forth to me or to a bishop, but i think he is an excellent pastor, suppleta ecclesisatica iurisdictione.

    Cordially,
    Fc+


    Read more: http://cor-mariae./thread/4899/fr-chazals-recent-letter#ixzz3xZr5TRfy