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Quote from: MyrnaM

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Quote from: MyrnaM

In othewords YOU don't pray for the dead, unless YOU know they were in the State of Grace,  how judgemental!

 

Ah, Myrna, you really just can't get past this, can you?

Let's try this way.  Please answer the following question:

Can someone who dies in a state of mortal sin be saved?

NO!  

Why are you not being judgmental for saying this?

Similarly with "Feeneyism", what's under discussion is what are the CRITERIA required for salvation.  Now, certainly, a person who APPEARS to be in mortal sin could be given a grace to make a last act of perfect contrition.  Similarly, someone who appears to be outside the Church might be given the grace of conversion at the last moment.

So too the Church has generally not prayed PUBLICLY for ѕυιcιdєs or others living in notorious public sin when they died.  This does NOT rule out the possibility that a ѕυιcιdє might have repented and had perfect contrition before that actual moment of death.  Similary, the Church does not PUBLICLY pray for non-Catholics.  Is the Church being judgmental?

You can't trap me that way,  I quoted what the Church teaches, I never said a particular person was in mortal sin and therefore I need not pray for them.  Why do you twist?  

I know that the church does not publically pray for a KNOWN non-Catholic as in having a Mass offered for that person.  The Church does not say, we can not privately pray for anyone Catholic or non-Catholic.  The Church is not judging, that is Catholic practice.  

Now, certainly, a person who APPEARS to be in mortal sin could be given a grace to make a last act of perfect contrition.  Similarly, someone who appears to be outside the Church might be given the grace of conversion at the last moment.

If I remember correctly a year or two ago you would not have agreed with the above, this is why I like you, you are beginning to think like a Catholic.

The Church also will not bury a non-Catholic in consecrated ground, but they could be buried within a Catholic cemetery in an area that is not consecrated.   Does that mean all the souls buried in unconsecrated ground are in hell,  NO!   Does that mean all the souls buried in consecrated ground are in heaven, NO!   That is a practice of the Church, not a dogma AND NOT A JUDGEMENT.   The Church is not judging any of the souls as it was always explained to me.  

Although let me take this opportunity to say that the Apostate Catholic Church, the NEW NORMAL is to bury anyone anywhere in the Catholic cemetery for the most part, of course I can not say that with absolute, there might be a few Apostate Catholic churches that keep the Traditional Practices of burial rubrics, if that is the proper term not sure; "burial rubrics"  

You can't trap me that way,  I quoted what the Church teaches,

Alas, Myrna, the only thing you're trapped by is your inability to reason and to understand basic logic.  Please stay off all theological threads going forward.