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Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
« on: January 23, 2016, 07:12:29 PM »
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  • Starting at minute 34 Fr. Jenkins talks about feeneyism.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 08:53:11 PM »
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  • I actually provided the wrong time in the previous post.  At min 34 he starts talking about an eens related topic, and at minute 52:30 he talks about feeneyism.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2016, 11:34:35 AM »
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  • The defiance of these modernists are inconceivable.

    The dishonesty to not call the Novus Ordo church a false church, but to label it the "Modern Church" and those who attend it "clinging for dear life" is hypocrisy.

    But then again, how could he call the "Modern church" a false church when he proclaims the same ecclesiology and soteriology that the false church manifests.

    Notice the lack of conviction when this man speaks, it is almost like he doesn't believe what he is saying, or trying not to offend someone.



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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2016, 12:14:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: sword of the Spirit
    The defiance of these modernists are inconceivable.

    The dishonesty to not call the Novus Ordo church a false church, but to label it the "Modern Church" and those who attend it "clinging for dear life" is hypocrisy.

    But then again, how could he call the "Modern church" a false church when he proclaims the same ecclesiology and soteriology that the false church manifests.

    Notice the lack of conviction when this man speaks, it is almost like he doesn't believe what he is saying, or trying not to offend someone.




    Exactly.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #4 on: January 24, 2016, 02:52:16 PM »
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    BODer vs. Feeneyite Debate in Short (as I read it on cathinfo)


    BODers - believe that Moslems, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Bhuudists, Hindus, ect can be saved.

    FeeneyitesDo not believe that Moslems, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Bhuddists, Hindus, ect can be saved.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2016, 03:16:34 PM »
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  • Question: Does Fr. Jenkins possess a saving Faith?

    This is a serious question.  For divine faith is believing what God has revealed on the authority of God who reveals. Fr. Jenkins does not believe in dogma as the literal revelation of God that is a universal truth that constitutes a formal object of divine and Catholic faith, but rather only as a general axiom, a theological principle, a truism, a general principle, etc. devised by men which requires the theological expert to divine the true understanding as applied in various circuмstances.

    Protestants who believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ believe it on human authority on not on the authority of God who reveals.  Theirs is a human faith and not the virtue of Faith alone which is pleasing to God.

    We have discussed in detail before how Modernism always as its final end has the direct destruction of dogma.  We have also discussed how Neo-modernism is a much more subtle heresy because it again has as its final end the overthrow of dogma but employs an indirect means in doing so.  Neo-modernism treats dogma either as a law, injunction or command and then applies the moral restrictions that govern laws to restrict the authority of the dogma OR they corrupt the dogma by changing the meaning of the terms or the universality of the copula.  They never deny the dogma directly as the Modernist do.

    There is no difference in method between Fr. Jenkins and Benedict/Ratzinger, only one of degree. Let me give a simple example of the method of corruption of terms of the dogmatic proposition with regard to the term substance:
     
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    “…the medieval concept of substance has long since become inaccessible to us. In so far as we use the concept of substance at all today we understand thereby the ultimate particles of matter, and the chemically complex mixture that is bread certainly does not fall into that category.”
    Joseph Ratzinger, Faith and the Future, p. 14


    It is impossible to affirm the Catholic dogma of that "Lord Jesus Christ... is consubstantial with the Father" or the Catholic dogma of  Transubstantiation if the concept of "substance" is rejected in the sense as used by scholastic theologians found in the perennial realist philosophical tradition.  And so we have Benedict/Ratzinger writing:

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    “Eucharistic devotion such as is noted in the silent visit by the devout in church must not be thought of as a conversation with God. This would assume that God was present there locally and in a confined way. To justify such an assertion shows a lack of understanding of the Christological mysteries of the very concept of God. This is repugnant to the serious thinking of the man who knows about the omnipresence of God. To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects.”
    Joseph Ratzinger,  Die Sacramentale Begrundung Christliche Existenz


    Fr. Jenkins in this apologetic video cites the gospel of John and then accuses the "Feeneyites" of giving their own private personal interpretation to this text.  The fact is that Fr. Feeney and those who agree with him interpret the words of Jesus Christ literally.  They are confirmed in their interpretation because the dogma that imposes a literal interpretation on all the Faithful as a truth of God revealed by God on the authority of God. That is why Fr. Feeney believed it and those who agree with Fr. Feeney believe it because God has revealed it. Fr. Jenkins does not believe it. He appeals to a Catholic catechism to overthrow the literal meaning of Jesus and the dogma. Whatever he believes, it is on the authority of man and not the authority of God who reveals. He does the same thing that Benedict/Ratzinger does.

    In the gospel when Jesus instructs about the jot and title, He says that those who lessen even one of these divine revelations will be "least in the kingdom."  According to Cornelius a Lapide and the Church Fathers he cites, "least in the kingdom" means that they will not be in the kingdom at all but eternally lost.

    So, does Fr. Jenkins or Benedict/Ratzinger possess the virtue of Faith?

    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #6 on: January 25, 2016, 02:01:48 AM »
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  • Watching this Fr. Jenkins video, I can't help feeling like I'm listening to an old Phil Donahue show.

    NO...Sorry Father, but if you say that a Novus Ordite or a Prot or a Jєω or Mus or whatever is capable of having sanctifying grace because of some ridiculous combination of sincerity for the love of God and confusion about the truth, yet you print it in your bulletin that if you don't believe in BOD you can't go to Church at Immaculate Heart then you are a confusing, mindless, illogical individual.

    This issue has nearly driven me to become a home aloner.   I am on a razors edge with it.  SGG'ers and SSPV'ers will now say that I'm sending my soul to Hell for denying something that no two of them can give and exact definition to or explanation of.   I'm following the exact Dogmatic statements that leave absolutely NO room for this crap.....so If I send my soul to hell based on that but an individual who is totally ignorant of Christ can go to hell the what good are  the Dogmatic definitions?


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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #7 on: January 25, 2016, 04:35:54 AM »
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    I'm following the exact Dogmatic statements that leave absolutely NO room for this crap.....so If I send my soul to hell based on that but an individual who is totally ignorant of Christ can go to hellheaven the what good are  the Dogmatic definitions?




    Ignorance is a bliss in NewDoctrine. Spreading the Gospel is a criminal act, as it leads directly to the endangerment of souls.


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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #8 on: January 25, 2016, 06:30:14 AM »
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    Watching this Fr. Jenkins video, I can't help feeling like I'm listening to an old Phil Donahue show.


     :roll-laugh1:   I was thinking Merv Griffin

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #9 on: January 25, 2016, 08:14:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Desmond
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    I'm following the exact Dogmatic statements that leave absolutely NO room for this crap.....so If I send my soul to hell based on that but an individual who is totally ignorant of Christ can go to hellheaven the what good are  the Dogmatic definitions?




    Ignorance is a bliss in NewDoctrine. Spreading the Gospel is a criminal act, as it leads directly to the endangerment of souls.


    Indeed, because only those who explicitly reject what they KNOW to be the true Church are lost.  All others are saved, you know.  So teaching them about the true Church becomes an obstacle to their salvation.

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #10 on: January 26, 2016, 06:58:08 PM »
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  • I think Fr. Jenkins did a splendid job re: Feeneyism.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 26, 2016, 07:08:52 PM »
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    I think Fr. Jenkins did a splendid job re: Feeneyism.


    But of course you do, McCork.  Your unfounded opinion has been duly noted.

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #12 on: January 26, 2016, 07:13:05 PM »
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    I think Fr. Jenkins did a splendid job re: Feeneyism.


    But of course you do, McCork.  Your unfounded opinion has been duly noted.


    You unfounded opinion of my opinion has been duly noted.

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2016, 07:34:49 PM »
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  • There is No such thing as 'feeneyism'.... :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Fr. Jenkins sspv talks about feeneyism(video)
    « Reply #14 on: January 26, 2016, 08:09:35 PM »
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  • Apparently, the SSPV sect goes as far as including in the back of their Sunday bulletins, an explicit prohibition to "Feeneyites" from receiving the Holy Eucharist. The requirements for not receiving Communion includes "those who adhere to the "errors" of Fr. Feeney". They of course, do not mention what these errors are but leave these poor disoriented souls to find out by themselves. The many of course, will not even look into this in an honest manner, it is so much the cultish spirit around.

    Talk about unity in the fake "Traditionalist" movement!. Creepy.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.