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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2021, 08:25:30 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 28, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
That was a great analysis by Fr. Jenkins on Fr. Pagliarani's response. The "two church" theology of the SSPX never made sense to me. How can there be one head for two bodies?
It does make sense considering that Christ Himself is, was, and always will be the Head of the Church, the pope can be head of however many churches he chooses. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2021, 08:48:01 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 28, 2021, 08:25:30 AM
It does make sense considering that Christ Himself is, was, and always will be the Head of the Church, the pope can be head of however many churches he chooses.
Based upon what, precisely? He's the Vicar of Christ on earth, meaning the visible head of the Church. And since there is only one Church, there can only be one Vicar. To say he can choose to be the head of multiple churches implies there is more than one church with Christ as its head.

Edit: Here's Session 4, chapter 3, section 3 of Vatican I on the Supreme Pontiff:

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3. In this way, by unity with the Roman pontiff in communion and in profession of the same faith, the church of Christ becomes one flock under one supreme shepherd 
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2021, 10:08:54 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 28, 2021, 08:48:01 AM
Based upon what, precisely? He's the Vicar of Christ on earth, meaning the visible head of the Church. And since there is only one Church, there can only be one Vicar. To say he can choose to be the head of multiple churches implies there is more than one church with Christ as its head.

Edit: Here's Session 4, chapter 3, section 3 of Vatican I on the Supreme Pontiff:
What I meant was, there is nothing to stop him from being head of multiple organizations and the Church at the same time.  Certainly what he is doing, to say the least, is altogether wrong, but aside from his own conscience, he can be head of whatever he wants.

ETA: Fr. Hesse, in one of his talks (which I will try to find later) briefly explains it.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2021, 11:22:04 AM »
No one is required to believe in the "head of two churches" theory, as expounded by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais in his study on Archbishop Lefebvre's stance on the issue. It's the theory that makes the most sense to me, but since we are ruled by opinions during the Crisis, I concede that my opinion is not the only one.

And....no one is required to believe in the sede or sedewhatever theories either.

Here's Bp. Tissier de Mallerais' study on what he considers to be +ABL's views on the matter, for those very few who here may be interested in a non-sede view:

Is there a conciliar church? - Dominicans of Avrille, France (dominicansavrille.us)

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2021, 01:19:46 PM »
Quote from: Meg on July 28, 2021, 11:22:04 AM
No one is required to believe in the "head of two churches" theory, as expounded by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais in his study on Archbishop Lefebvre's stance on the issue. It's the theory that makes the most sense to me….

Really weird. The “head of two churches” theory is actually quite nutty and utterly non-Catholic, as Fr. Jenkins well explains in the video. One might even call this wild and desperate theory this: a manifestation of diabolical disorientation.
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