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Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
« on: July 27, 2021, 08:47:16 PM »
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    • Fr. Jenkins discusses SSPX Superior General Pagliarani’s response to the wretched Francis’ TC Motu. He strongly questions Pagliarani’s wild notion that there can be two religions within one Church.

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2021, 08:58:50 PM »
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    • Nice. I'll give this a listen on my drive home tonight
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2021, 09:37:58 PM »
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    • Thanks anyway; heard all the sede nonsense 100 times here.  Why watch a video of the same?
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2021, 09:44:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 27, 2021, 09:37:58 PM
    Thanks anyway; heard all the sede nonsense 100 times here.  Why watch a video of the same?
    Perhaps you should refrain from commenting in a  presumptive and dismissive manner if you refuse to listen to the video.  Characterizing it as "sede nonsense" based solely on the title and the priest in question only serves as a warning to others here: avoid SeanJohnson, who judges harshly all commentary which he refuses to hear!
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #4 on: July 27, 2021, 09:46:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 27, 2021, 09:37:58 PM
    Thanks anyway; heard all the sede nonsense 100 times here.  Why watch a video of the same?
    Stop being a turd.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2021, 09:53:58 PM »
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    • Says the sede turd!
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #6 on: July 27, 2021, 09:55:05 PM »
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #7 on: July 27, 2021, 09:55:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 27, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
    Stop being a turd.

    He can’t help himself.
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #8 on: July 27, 2021, 09:55:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 27, 2021, 09:55:20 PM
    He can’t help himself.
    Pooping again?
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #9 on: July 28, 2021, 08:14:13 AM »
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    • That was a great analysis by Fr. Jenkins on Fr. Pagliarani's response. The "two church" theology of the SSPX never made sense to me. How can there be one head for two bodies? It makes zero sense. If there were to be a schism within the novus ordo, would the putative Pope then be the head of three churches? Or four? Morphing the papacy into the head of an abominable hydra of schismatic sects rather than the one head for the one Body of the Catholic Church?
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #10 on: July 28, 2021, 08:25:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 28, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
    That was a great analysis by Fr. Jenkins on Fr. Pagliarani's response. The "two church" theology of the SSPX never made sense to me. How can there be one head for two bodies?
    It does make sense considering that Christ Himself is, was, and always will be the Head of the Church, the pope can be head of however many churches he chooses. 
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #11 on: July 28, 2021, 08:48:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on July 28, 2021, 08:25:30 AM
    It does make sense considering that Christ Himself is, was, and always will be the Head of the Church, the pope can be head of however many churches he chooses.
    Based upon what, precisely? He's the Vicar of Christ on earth, meaning the visible head of the Church. And since there is only one Church, there can only be one Vicar. To say he can choose to be the head of multiple churches implies there is more than one church with Christ as its head.

    Edit: Here's Session 4, chapter 3, section 3 of Vatican I on the Supreme Pontiff:

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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #12 on: July 28, 2021, 10:08:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 28, 2021, 08:48:01 AM
    Based upon what, precisely? He's the Vicar of Christ on earth, meaning the visible head of the Church. And since there is only one Church, there can only be one Vicar. To say he can choose to be the head of multiple churches implies there is more than one church with Christ as its head.

    Edit: Here's Session 4, chapter 3, section 3 of Vatican I on the Supreme Pontiff:
    What I meant was, there is nothing to stop him from being head of multiple organizations and the Church at the same time.  Certainly what he is doing, to say the least, is altogether wrong, but aside from his own conscience, he can be head of whatever he wants.

    ETA: Fr. Hesse, in one of his talks (which I will try to find later) briefly explains it.
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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #13 on: July 28, 2021, 11:22:04 AM »
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    • No one is required to believe in the "head of two churches" theory, as expounded by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais in his study on Archbishop Lefebvre's stance on the issue. It's the theory that makes the most sense to me, but since we are ruled by opinions during the Crisis, I concede that my opinion is not the only one.

    And....no one is required to believe in the sede or sedewhatever theories either.

    Here's Bp. Tissier de Mallerais' study on what he considers to be +ABL's views on the matter, for those very few who here may be interested in a non-sede view:

    Is there a conciliar church? - Dominicans of Avrille, France (dominicansavrille.us)

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    Re: Fr. Jenkins On SSPX Response to TC!
    « Reply #14 on: July 28, 2021, 01:19:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 28, 2021, 11:22:04 AM
    No one is required to believe in the "head of two churches" theory, as expounded by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais in his study on Archbishop Lefebvre's stance on the issue. It's the theory that makes the most sense to me….

    Really weird. The “head of two churches” theory is actually quite nutty and utterly non-Catholic, as Fr. Jenkins well explains in the video. One might even call this wild and desperate theory this: a manifestation of diabolical disorientation.
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