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Author Topic: Fr. Jenkins articulates Moderate (aka Opinionist) Sedevacantism  (Read 7394 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Jenkins articulates Moderate (aka Opinionist) Sedevacantism
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2020, 07:18:37 AM »
Quote from: Struthio on June 24, 2020, 08:18:02 PM
I don't understand. If it is a usurpation of authority to say that someone has to agree with your opinion in order to be Catholic, how is Fr. Jenkins not doing exactly the same thing when he says that dogmatic sedevacantists are not Catholic because of what they believe? How is he not usurping authority in deciding who is traditional Catholic and who isn't?

Uhm, he did not say they are not Catholic, but that they are not TRADTIONAL Catholic.  To my knowledge, he does not refuse the Sacraments to people from dogmatic sedevacantist chapels ... unless there's also a question of the +Thuc line, but that's for a different reason (that I don't agree with).  One would have to ask him precisely what he meant by that, since the term Traditional Catholics has about as many definitions as you have Traditional Catholics.
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Offline 2Vermont

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2020, 07:57:46 AM »
Lad, what other Catholic would be truly Catholic?  
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Fr. Jenkins articulates Moderate (aka Opinionist) Sedevacantism
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2020, 08:00:27 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2020, 07:17:11 AM
You'll note that he didn't say the dogmatic sedes weren't Catholic, just that they weren't Traditional Catholics.  We'd have to ask him what he meant by that and what his definition of Traditional Catholic is.  Traditional Catholics is a bit of a slippery term which can mean different things to different people.

And, no obviously, I don't agree with his position on the Thuc bishops.  That's just because I don't agree with his conclusion that they are doubtful.  But let's say you did agree.  If, for instance, you had some faithful who received the Sacraments from someone ordained by, say, one "Bishop" Ambrose Moran, wouldn't you tell the faithful that they needed to re-confess sins that had been confessed to that man?  Problem is that the +Thuc lines through +des Lauriers and +Carmona are unquestionably valid.
Problem is....it is my understanding that even if you've been going to an unquestionably certain priest for confession, if that priest was sympathetic to the Thuc line, you still couldn't (knowingly) receive communion at an SSPV chapel.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Fr. Jenkins articulates Moderate (aka Opinionist) Sedevacantism
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2020, 09:50:33 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2020, 07:18:37 AM
Quote from: Struthio on June 24, 2020, 08:18:02 PM
I don't understand. If it is a usurpation of authority to say that someone has to agree with your opinion in order to be Catholic, how is Fr. Jenkins not doing exactly the same thing when he says that dogmatic sedevacantists are not Catholic because of what they believe? How is he not usurping authority in deciding who is traditional Catholic and who isn't?

Uhm, he did not say they are not Catholic, but that they are not TRADTIONAL Catholic.  To my knowledge, he does not refuse the Sacraments to people from dogmatic sedevacantist chapels ... unless there's also a question of the +Thuc line, but that's for a different reason (that I don't agree with).  One would have to ask him precisely what he meant by that, since the term Traditional Catholics has about as many definitions as you have Traditional Catholics.


The author of the quote you're commenting on is not Struthio, but Yeti, see Reply #3.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Jenkins articulates Moderate (aka Opinionist) Sedevacantism
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2020, 10:35:03 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on June 25, 2020, 07:57:46 AM
Lad, what other Catholic would be truly Catholic?  

Well, maybe "truly" Catholic, in a sense, but I am not of the mindset that there are no Catholics in the Novus Ordo and that they're all heretics by virtue of the fact.  Many of them are in material error only.
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