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Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
« on: October 30, 2017, 06:24:48 AM »
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  • From Dr. Chojnowski: http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/


    With permission, I am going forward with information conveyed to me by a personal friend of Fr. Nicholas Gruner. Christopher Graham has conveyed to me that in the summer of 2014 --- in the last year of Father Gruner's life, he (Fr. Gruner) had been told by "someone" (Mr. Graham now wishes that he had asked Father, who that "someone" was) that he (Father Gruner) was working along side a Freemason who had infiltrated the Fatima Center. Father Gruner indicated that he did not know who this Freemason was.
     So we have more to add to the tally of first hand information coming from Father Gruner himself as spoken to confidants and friends.
     
     Mr. Graham has also definitively conveyed to me that he knows from personal communication with Father Gruner himself that Fr. Gruner did not believe Francis I to be a legitimate pope, but was, rather, an anti-pope.
     
     Whether we agree with the late beloved Father Gruner or not, let us at least treat with seriousness his considered judgments based on what he knew and on the information he had received.
     
     Perhaps we need to start acting like things are NOT THE SAME as they have "always" been.
     
     I am republishing below the videos in which Father Gruner gives his assessment of Francis and the situation with regard to the papacy. The first one, however, is Father Gruner's clear statement about the Catholic Teaching on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ:
     





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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 05:58:21 PM »
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    With permission, I am going forward with information conveyed to me by a personal friend of Fr. Nicholas Gruner. Christopher Graham has conveyed to me that in the summer of 2014 --- in the last year of Father Gruner's life, he (Fr. Gruner) had been told by "someone" (Mr. Graham now wishes that he had asked Father, who that "someone" was) that he (Father Gruner) was working along side a Freemason who had infiltrated the Fatima Center. Father Gruner indicated that he did not know who this Freemason was.
     So we have more to add to the tally of first hand information coming from Father Gruner himself as spoken to confidants and friends.
     
     Mr. Graham has also definitively conveyed to me that he knows from personal communication with Father Gruner himself that Fr. Gruner did not believe Francis I to be a legitimate pope, but was, rather, an anti-pope.
     
     Whether we agree with the late beloved Father Gruner or not, let us at least treat with seriousness his considered judgments based on what he knew and on the information he had received.
     
     Perhaps we need to start acting like things are NOT THE SAME as they have "always" been.
     
     I am republishing below the videos in which Father Gruner gives his assessment of Francis and the situation with regard to the papacy. The first one, however, is Father Gruner's clear statement about the Catholic Teaching on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ:
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    Political assassins have been murdering opponents by administering certain drugs using pen-like  instruments. ISO could be one of those drugs.

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    cf. https://draxe.com/skullcap/

    The aggressiveness shown by The Fatima Center in taking over Fr. Gruner's apostolate and in weakening it, indicates to me that perhaps a few people within The Fatima Center did not like Fr. Gruner's directives and wanted him removed from office in whatever way they could.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 10:58:18 PM »
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  • I always believed there was something strange and untimely about Fr. Gruner's death, as well as a few others important to Tradition.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #3 on: March 31, 2018, 02:12:13 AM »
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  • I always believed there was something strange and untimely about Fr. Gruner's death, as well as a few others important to Tradition.
    Exactly, follow the money trail. Who benefited the most from the untimely death of Fr. Gruner, just as he was embracing the teachings of Fr. Paul Kramer who does not believe that Francis is the true pope? It was the SSPX and their friends at The Fatima Center. They got the huge collection of books, rosaries, scapulars, and other items to sell. They got the lucrative bank accounts, real estate, and website. Then the Fatima Center divorced themselves from Father Paul Kramer and others. It was just too coincidental.

    Yes, Father Malachi Martin, S.J. and Father Frederick Schell, S.J. of Los Angeles also met untimely deaths.

    I was present at one of the last funerals conducted by Father Schell. He claimed that someone had pushed him down the stairs at the mortuary/cemetery. For some strange reason, he was led to the underground chambers at that cemetery, but there was no need to go there. No need at all. Indeed, as walked down those steps, the lights went off suddenly just before he fell. We offered to take him home that afternoon, as he had refused to be taken to a hospital. That "accident" caused serious and permanent injuries from which he never recovered.

    cf. http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Oct/oct1rip.htm

    Father Malachi Martin was also pushed down a flight of stairs shortly before he died.

    May they rest in peace.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2018, 07:11:40 PM »
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  • In the Autumn 2012 issue of The Fatima Crusader Fr. Gruner states on pages 11-12 the following: "After 35 years of my life, doing everything I can to bring the truth of Fatima to the attention of Catholic priests (I have160,000 out of 409,000 total Catholic priests on my mailing list), and after writing to all 5,000 Catholic bishops about ten times a year for the past25 years, I have come to the realization that, unless the lies against Fatima are exposed, and unless those “Judases” – those lying false friends of Fatima – are unmasked, the lies against Fatima will prevail and the devil will win in the near term."

    That's quite an information campaign!  And that would have been just be a fraction of the multi-faceted information campaign carried out by the Fatima Center.  Think of it -- 5,000 Catholic bishops X 10 mailings a year X 25 years = 1,250,000 direct mailings to the Catholic bishops of the world alone.  If these numbers are anywhere near accurate they paint an unbelievably dismal picture of the Church as it relates to a response to Fatima.

    I leave Fatima Crusaders and other strong Catholic material in the vestibule by the main entrance doors of a major novus ordo church near where I live and it is amazing how seemingly none of the hundreds of parishioners take it.  It just lies there week after week as though it were radioactive.  The parish is huge and yet it does not even have even a tiny bookstore.  No wonder so many of the novus ordo Catholics remain abysmally ignorant of the true state of the Church.   It's as though they could care less.

    I don't know where the printing of the Fatima Center materials is done now, although I imagine it is done at the large printing press operation and warehouse building in Fort Ontario, Canada I visited in the year 2000.  I think the threat of arson was always in Fr. Gruner's mind.  It would have been an absolute disaster to the Fatima Center, one from which it may never have recovered from depending on the extent of insurance it may or may not have carried.  (There may have been a  strong reason why the Fatima Crusader never addressed the issue of who really did 9-11.  I certainly wished they had though considering the incredibly immense loss of life and other destruction that has been carried out as a result of the wars which were kick started by 9-11.)



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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 12:21:18 AM »
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  • Exactly, follow the money trail. Who benefited the most from the untimely death of Fr. Gruner, just as he was embracing the teachings of Fr. Paul Kramer who does not believe that Francis is the true pope? It was the SSPX and their friends at The Fatima Center. They got the huge collection of books, rosaries, scapulars, and other items to sell. They got the lucrative bank accounts, real estate, and website. Then the Fatima Center divorced themselves from Father Paul Kramer and others. It was just too coincidental.

    Yes, Father Malachi Martin, S.J. and Father Frederick Schell, S.J. of Los Angeles also met untimely deaths.

    I was present at one of the last funerals conducted by Father Schell. He claimed that someone had pushed him down the stairs at the mortuary/cemetery. For some strange reason, he was led to the underground chambers at that cemetery, but there was no need to go there. No need at all. Indeed, as walked down those steps, the lights went off suddenly just before he fell. We offered to take him home that afternoon, as he had refused to be taken to a hospital. That "accident" caused serious and permanent injuries from which he never recovered.

    cf. http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Oct/oct1rip.htm

    Father Malachi Martin was also pushed down a flight of stairs shortly before he died.

    May they rest in peace.
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    Fr. Schell had long before removed the "S.J." from his name, after he had discovered what was going on in the Jesuits. 
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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
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    Fr. Schell had long before removed the "S.J." from his name, after he had discovered what was going on in the Jesuits.
    Yes, I understand that. I was just emphasizing that both priests, Fr. Malachi Martin and Fr. Frederick Schell, were with the Jesuits, both left the Jesuits later on, and both priests were pushed down a flight of stairs to their untimely deaths. This, I believe, was not a coincidence.

    They are not the only priests to have left the Jesuits. I know others who have told me some frightening things that I dare not repeat.

    Did the two priests know each other in seminary? Or were they ever stationed together?
    Lord have mercy.

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  • I don't know where the printing of the Fatima Center materials is done now, although I imagine it is done at the large printing press operation and warehouse building in Fort Ontario, Canada I visited in the year 2000.  I think the threat of arson was always in Fr. Gruner's mind.  It would have been an absolute disaster to the Fatima Center, one from which it may never have recovered from depending on the extent of insurance it may or may not have carried.  (There may have been a  strong reason why the Fatima Crusader never addressed the issue of who really did 9-11. I certainly wished they had though considering the incredibly immense loss of life and other destruction that has been carried out as a result of the wars which were kick started by 9-11.)
    In a certain sense I think the Fatima Crusader operation could be considered a sort of controlled opposition to the NWO.  It would constantly over the years harp about the threat of Russia and in more recent years it would go on and on about the nasty Muslims, but it seemed to be very careful not to delve into criticizing Israel nor did it seem interested in taking any sort of a serious look as to who was really behind 9-11.  And finally, it steered completely away from countering the theological and political menace and error of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity.  Go figure.  I personally think Fr. Gruner did not want to risk his whole operation going up in smoke in a heartbeat which it easily could have if he crossed certain lines.

    I do know this for a fact.  Fr. Gruner backed out of printing and promoting Hugh Akins' monumental and fully uncompromising Catholic book ѕуηαgσgυє Rising.  (Both The Remnant and The Catholic Family News refused to even carry ads for this great book.  Mr. Akins had to resort to advertising in The American Free Press and E. Michael Jones' Culture Wars.)

    As the old saying goes, "If you want to know who controls your country just ask yourself who you are not allowed to talk about."


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    « Reply #8 on: April 03, 2018, 11:13:23 AM »
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  • From Dr. Chojnowski: http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/


    With permission, I am going forward with information conveyed to me by a personal friend of Fr. Nicholas Gruner. Christopher Graham has conveyed to me that in the summer of 2014 --- in the last year of Father Gruner's life, he (Fr. Gruner) had been told by "someone" (Mr. Graham now wishes that he had asked Father, who that "someone" was) that he (Father Gruner) was working along side a Freemason who had infiltrated the Fatima Center. Father Gruner indicated that he did not know who this Freemason was.
     So we have more to add to the tally of first hand information coming from Father Gruner himself as spoken to confidants and friends.
     
    Are you free to state if Christopher Graham is any relation (and if so what relation) to Coralie Graham, the ex-long time editor of The Fatima Crusader?

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #9 on: April 03, 2018, 01:13:26 PM »
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  • In a certain sense I think the Fatima Crusader operation could be considered a sort of controlled opposition to the NWO.  It would constantly over the years harp about the threat of Russia and in more recent years it would go on and on about the nasty Muslims, but it seemed to be very careful not to delve into criticizing Israel nor did it seem interested in taking any sort of a serious look as to who was really behind 9-11.  And finally, it steered completely away from countering the theological and political menace and error of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity.  Go figure.  I personally think Fr. Gruner did not want to risk his whole operation going up in smoke in a heartbeat which it easily could have if he crossed certain lines.

    I do know this for a fact.  Fr. Gruner backed out of printing and promoting Hugh Akins' monumental and fully uncompromising Catholic book ѕуηαgσgυє Rising.  (Both The Remnant and The Catholic Family News refused to even carry ads for this great book.  Mr. Akins had to resort to advertising in The American Free Press and E. Michael Jones' Culture Wars.)

    As the old saying goes, "If you want to know who controls your country just ask yourself who you are not allowed to talk about."
    Yes Fr. Gruner backed out but Hugh Akins was fine with that at the time, but then (as reported by Hugh) Fr. Gruner decided that it was time to publish the book and lend his public support to Hugh's book, (also, it was about this time, most likely that he told Fr. Kramer to write a book about Pope Francis not being the pope) but then Fr. Gruner died before he could more forward with those plans. What would happen if Fr. Gruner did not die and he went ahead with both plans?

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
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  • Are you free to state if Christopher Graham is any relation (and if so what relation) to Coralie Graham, the ex-long time editor of The Fatima Crusader?
    That I do not know, you will have to ask Dr. Chojnowski. He will be on TradCat Knight Radio on April 8th, so you can call in and ask him then.


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  • Exactly, follow the money trail. Who benefited the most from the untimely death of Fr. Gruner, just as he was embracing the teachings of Fr. Paul Kramer who does not believe that Francis is the true pope? It was the SSPX and their friends at The Fatima Center. They got the huge collection of books, rosaries, scapulars, and other items to sell. They got the lucrative bank accounts, real estate, and website. Then the Fatima Center divorced themselves from Father Paul Kramer and others. It was just too coincidental.

    Yes, Father Malachi Martin, S.J. and Father Frederick Schell, S.J. of Los Angeles also met untimely deaths.

    I was present at one of the last funerals conducted by Father Schell. He claimed that someone had pushed him down the stairs at the mortuary/cemetery. For some strange reason, he was led to the underground chambers at that cemetery, but there was no need to go there. No need at all. Indeed, as walked down those steps, the lights went off suddenly just before he fell. We offered to take him home that afternoon, as he had refused to be taken to a hospital. That "accident" caused serious and permanent injuries from which he never recovered.

    cf. http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Oct/oct1rip.htm

    Father Malachi Martin was also pushed down a flight of stairs shortly before he died.

    May they rest in peace.
    I think this post needs to be re-worded. I do not understand it and I am sure I'm not the only one

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    « Reply #12 on: April 04, 2018, 01:09:31 PM »
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  • Yes Fr. Gruner backed out but Hugh Akins was fine with that at the time, but then (as reported by Hugh) Fr. Gruner decided that it was time to publish the book and lend his public support to Hugh's book, (also, it was about this time, most likely that he told Fr. Kramer to write a book about Pope Francis not being the pope) but then Fr. Gruner died before he could more forward with those plans. What would happen if Fr. Gruner did not die and he went ahead with both plans?
    It sounds like someone had a good motive for killing Fr. Gruner by causing
    his massive heart attack, which can be done using a pen-like instrument
    that sprays a chemical developed by the KGB directly into the eyes.

    With the recent death by poisoning of several Russian spies who worked for the
    British, these sudden deaths by heart attack, cancer, and poisoning are no
    longer a conspiracy theory, but a reality.

    Who would oppose the printing and public support of Hugh's book?

    And who would oppose the revelation that Francis was not the true pope?

    It had to be someone who supported both the SSPX and Pope Francis.

    Most likely John Vennari was also slipped some cancer causing agent.
    He seemed like he was recovering only to become seriously ill once again.
    His swift aggressive cancer could easily have been induced by several
    cancer causing drugs or poisons that the Communists, the Mafia, and the
    CIA have.

    Again, follow the money. John Vennari was hitting hard at the Vatican II church
    and brilliantly exposing all their freemason ties and lies. With his death and
    that of Fr. Nicholas Gruner, any anti-Vatican II news stories would be stopped.
    And indeed, the Fatima Center has been careful not to attack Francis or any of
    Rome's previous popes. The voice of the Fatima Center, and the voices of Father
    Gruner and John Vennari have all been silenced.

    Curiously, the Fatima Center recently published The Permanent Instruction of the
    Alta Vendita and sent it to all on their mailing list. Was this a cover up to hide the
    possible murders of Father Gruner and John Vennari?

    Think about this. If the Fatima Center republished an expose written by John
    Vennari in 1999 that was anti-freemasonic, then would not this suggest that they
    were for John Vennari and had no motive for killing him?

    Not likely. In 1999, Pope John Paul II was still the pope. The Roman Church had not
    deteriorated to the state that it is in now. The SSPX was not dancing in step with
    Francis in their attempt to have reunion with the Vatican. If John were alive today,
    this very work would have been updated and would have caused waves.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #13 on: April 04, 2018, 07:11:09 PM »
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  • Anybody know why Coralie Graham, the former many years editor of the Fatima Crusader and Joseph Cain, a longtime (over about 20 or more years) staffer with the Fatima Center both got axed from the Fatima Center in the aftermath of the Fatima Center shakeup?

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #14 on: April 04, 2018, 07:21:30 PM »
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  • Anybody know why Coralie Graham, the former many years editor of the Fatima Crusader and Joseph Cain, a longtime (over about 20 or more years) staffer with the Fatima Center both got axed from the Fatima Center in the aftermath of the Fatima Center shakeup?
    It was probably better that they got axed rather than murdered.
    No doubt, they were viewed as part of the Father Gruner and John Vennari click and quietly let go.
    This is really sad.
    Lord have mercy.