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Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2018, 01:22:29 PM »
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  • What’s the point of contacting them about it? You don’t think they’re not already aware?
    Of course, they are aware of it.  That's the purpose of contacting them! :)


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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #31 on: April 27, 2018, 08:09:11 PM »
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  • With permission, I am going forward with information conveyed to me by a personal friend of Fr. Nicholas Gruner. Christopher Graham has conveyed to me that in the summer of 2014 --- in the last year of Father Gruner's life, he (Fr. Gruner) had been told by "someone" (Mr. Graham now wishes that he had asked Father, who that "someone" was) that he (Father Gruner) was working along side a Freemason who had infiltrated the Fatima Center.

    Simple or Single hearsay is generally not admissible in a court of law for the simple reason that its reliability cannot be tested due to the fact that the person making the out of court assertion hoped to be relied on is not present and thus can not be subject to cross examination to determine reliability.  Double hearsay is considered even less reliable and triple hearsay still less reliable.

    I realize we are not dealing here with a court of law, but nevertheless, I hope this analogy gives us good reason to step back a bit and pause.  What we are dealing here (if he were in a court of law) would be clearly categorized as triple hearsay.  It would be incredibly difficult to ever get it to be admitted into evidence due to its incredible unreliability.


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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #32 on: April 27, 2018, 09:20:58 PM »
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  • Simple or Single hearsay is generally not admissible in a court of law for the simple reason that its reliability cannot be tested due to the fact that the person making the out of court assertion hoped to be relied on is not present and thus can not be subject to cross examination to determine reliability.  Double hearsay is considered even less reliable and triple hearsay still less reliable.

    I realize we are not dealing here with a court of law, but nevertheless, I hope this analogy gives us good reason to step back a bit and pause.  What we are dealing here (if he were in a court of law) would be clearly categorized as triple hearsay.  It would be incredibly difficult to ever get it to be admitted into evidence due to its incredible unreliability.
    However, when you consider

    (1) the hatred shown by the Fatima Crusader toward's Father Gruner in not maintaining his gravesite;

    (2) the bitter division that now exists between the Servants and the folks at Fatima Crusader;

    (3) the fact that Fr. Gruner was friends with Fr. Paul Kramer who holds that Benedict is the true pope;

    (4) the fact that the ruling party at Fatima Crusader holds that Francis is the true pope;

    (5) the massive heart attack suffered by Fr. Gruner, which could have been administered by CIA, KGB, or a freemason; and

    (6) the fact that the money is in the hands of the Fatima Crusader,

    then you must follow the money, the bank accounts, the real estate, all the stock items for resale: books, rosaries, etc.

    Who benefited from the sudden death of Father Nicholas Gruner? Was it not Fatima Crusader?

    Then you also must ask, was an autopsy performed? Did the coroner check for a poison that could have caused a sudden massive heart attack?

    And surely it was not the will of Father Nicholas that his funeral be conducted by Bishop Fellay.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #33 on: April 27, 2018, 10:07:16 PM »
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  • However, when you consider

    (1) the hatred shown by the Fatima Crusader toward's Father Gruner in not maintaining his gravesite;

    (2) the bitter division that now exists between the Servants and the folks at Fatima Crusader;

    (3) the fact that Fr. Gruner was friends with Fr. Paul Kramer who holds that Benedict is the true pope;

    (4) the fact that the ruling party at Fatima Crusader holds that Francis is the true pope;

    (5) the massive heart attack suffered by Fr. Gruner, which could have been administered by CIA, KGB, or a freemason; and

    (6) the fact that the money is in the hands of the Fatima Crusader,

    then you must follow the money, the bank accounts, the real estate, all the stock items for resale: books, rosaries, etc.

    Who benefited from the sudden death of Father Nicholas Gruner? Was it not Fatima Crusader?

    Then you also must ask, was an autopsy performed? Did the coroner check for a poison that could have caused a sudden massive heart attack?

    And surely it was not the will of Father Nicholas that his funeral be conducted by Bishop Fellay.
    Very good points!  All I am saying is that what you say here could easily all be true without having to insert a he said he said he said who said plot about  some Freemason infiltrator.  As a matter of fac,t the Freemason infiltrator story might just be a made up thing to mislead/distract from the real wrongdoers.  I really have no idea one way or the other.

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #34 on: May 09, 2018, 09:53:29 PM »
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  • I’ll take the bait. It’s not a distraction. 


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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #35 on: May 09, 2018, 09:56:23 PM »
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  • Furthermore, if you have no idea one way or another, you should shut your pie hole. Some people do know. 

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #36 on: May 09, 2018, 10:25:54 PM »
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  • Furthermore, if you have no idea one way or another, you should shut your pie hole. Some people do know.
    Wow!  It looks like I really touched a nerve.  You got a dog in this fight.?  Why don't you present your evidence Mr. "Some people do know" it all.

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    Re: Fr. Gruner, said a Mason had infiltrated the Fatima Center.
    « Reply #37 on: May 13, 2018, 07:25:03 PM »
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  • Buddy, no fight here. Just amuses me to read something from someone like yourself that has no clue.