Author Topic: Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you? (Read 4380 times)

Deliveringit · « **on:** September 04, 2012, 08:06:35 PM »

Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.

Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,

I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:44:53 PM »

Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?

Deliveringit · « **Reply #2 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:49:23 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?

Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #3 on:** September 04, 2012, 09:12:26 PM »

Quote from: Deliveringit

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?

Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.

Well, "Catholic" Answers isn't really a Catholic forum, so it comes as no surprise.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #4 on:** September 04, 2012, 11:00:13 PM »

Groeschel is not Catholic.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #5 on:** September 04, 2012, 11:06:17 PM »

With regard to the evil Benedict Groeschel:

Saint Francis of Assisi prophesied that his order, the Franciscans, would become corrupt:

Quote from: Saint Francis of Assisi

The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.

Taken from “The Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi” Washbourne, A.D. 1882. pp.248-250.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #6 on:** September 06, 2012, 03:15:21 AM »

Update: the scandalous Franciscan, Benedict Groeschel has had to stop presenting his foul TV show, because of some of his comments that were mentioned in the first post on this thread.

He has had to leave the show.

Good.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2012, 03:28:53 AM »

Quote from: Sede Catholic

Groeschel is not Catholic.

I'd say Groeschel has it all backwards. He thinks he is God, and,
since Groeschel is not Catholic, he's actually trying to tell the truth.
Get it?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2012, 03:48:52 AM »

Quote from: Sede Catholic

With regard to the evil Benedict Groeschel:

Saint Francis of Assisi prophesied that his order, the Franciscans, would become corrupt:

Quote from: Saint Francis of Assisi
The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.

Taken from “The Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi” Washbourne, A.D. 1882. pp.248-250.

It looked too long to read at first but then I read the red type, and that sucked me
in okay. Now I read it TWICE. Good stuff. Good job, Sede!

This is essentially Matthew xxiv with a bit more flesh on the bones so to say.
It also throws in some of St. Paul and someone else... St. Peter? St. Jude?

The "not a true Pastor but a destroyer" sounds like the abomination of desolation
standing in the holy place (he that readeth, let him understand). What comes next?

16 Then they that are in Judea let them flee to the mountains, and he that is on
the house-top ... in the field ... them that are with child ... Pray that your flight be
not in the winter ... For there shall be then great tribulation ...

Sounds an awful lot like sedevacantism, don't it?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2012, 03:53:10 AM »

Quote from: Deliveringit

Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests' sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.

Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,

I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.

If he's trying to blame the victims, that really makes him look like he is
guilty of pederasty himself, because that's what pederasts do: blame the victims.

Of course, God is Catholic. But Groeschel is not God, NOR is Groeschel Catholic.

Three strikes and he's out.

Ethelred · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2012, 04:14:17 AM »

There's a joke which matches the thread's topic. Theologically it's not perfectly accurate, but I think for the Catholic household use it's OK. Hopefully I can transform it into English?

A Jєω whose son due to a miracle recently converted to the Church, bitterly complained to heaven:

Oh Lord, my own son became a Catholic!

Moments later a deep voice in the clouds replied:

That's fine -- mine too.

KofCTrad · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2012, 05:35:29 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: Deliveringit
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?

Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.

Well, "Catholic" Answers isn't really a Catholic forum, so it comes as no surprise.

Exactly! Fr. Groeschel and the Catholic Answers crowd are heretics in an apostate sect. Period, end of sentence!

Deliveringit · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2012, 01:15:43 PM »

Apparently Groeschel rejected the infallible dogmatic teaching ,"outside the church there is no salvation". Apparently EWTN also rejects that teaching.

................................... God is Catholic ...................................

In fact, God is more Catholic than all of the members of the Church combined. Remember that God is the head of his Church(the body of christ), and the head is part of the body. Plus, is not Jesus the high priest within the Church? So how can Jesus be the high priest within the Catholic Church without being Catholic? Also, Jesus asked Saul(saint Paul), "why do you persecute me?". It was the Church that Saul(saint Paul) was persecuting. So Jesus equates himself with the Church itself,, not the Baptist church, not the Lutheran church, not the Mormon church, but only the Holy Catholic Church. So Fr. Groeschel is wrong. God is clearly Catholic, and if anyone tells you he is not, then they are not worshipping the one true Jesus Christ who founded the "Catholic" Church?

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2012, 01:18:14 PM »

Quote from: Deliveringit

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?

Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.

no surprise there, that is a worse forum then FE....by far.......a lot of Neocons and New Churchers

Belloc · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2012, 01:19:13 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?

Not much from what I can see/hear over yrs, Chris Ferrera did some good work on this......