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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Deliveringit on September 04, 2012, 08:06:35 PM
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Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.
Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESx2h8wen0&feature=player_embedded
I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.
Well, "Catholic" Answers isn't really a Catholic forum, so it comes as no surprise.
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Groeschel is not Catholic.
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With regard to the evil Benedict Groeschel:
Saint Francis of Assisi prophesied that his order, the Franciscans, would become corrupt:
The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.
Taken from “The Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi” Washbourne, A.D. 1882. pp.248-250.
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Update: the scandalous Franciscan, Benedict Groeschel has had to stop presenting his foul TV show, because of some of his comments that were mentioned in the first post on this thread.
He has had to leave the show.
Good.
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Groeschel is not Catholic.
I'd say Groeschel has it all backwards. He thinks he is God, and,
since Groeschel is not Catholic, he's actually trying to tell the truth.
Get it?
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With regard to the evil Benedict Groeschel:
Saint Francis of Assisi prophesied that his order, the Franciscans, would become corrupt:
The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.
Taken from “The Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi” Washbourne, A.D. 1882. pp.248-250.
It looked too long to read at first but then I read the red type, and that sucked me
in okay. Now I read it TWICE. Good stuff. Good job, Sede!
This is essentially Matthew xxiv with a bit more flesh on the bones so to say.
It also throws in some of St. Paul and someone else... St. Peter? St. Jude?
The "not a true Pastor but a destroyer" sounds like the abomination of desolation
standing in the holy place (he that readeth, let him understand). What comes next?
16 Then they that are in Judea let them flee to the mountains, and he that is on
the house-top ... in the field ... them that are with child ... Pray that your flight be
not in the winter ... For there shall be then great tribulation ...
Sounds an awful lot like sedevacantism, don't it?
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Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests' sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.
Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESx2h8wen0&feature=player_embedded
I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.
If he's trying to blame the victims, that really makes him look like he is
guilty of pederasty himself, because that's what pederasts do: blame the victims.
Of course, God is Catholic. But Groeschel is not God, NOR is Groeschel Catholic.
Three strikes and he's out.
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There's a joke which matches the thread's topic. Theologically it's not perfectly accurate, but I think for the Catholic household use it's OK. Hopefully I can transform it into English?
A Jєω whose son due to a miracle recently converted to the Church, bitterly complained to heaven:
Oh Lord, my own son became a Catholic!
Moments later a deep voice in the clouds replied:
That's fine -- mine too.
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.
Well, "Catholic" Answers isn't really a Catholic forum, so it comes as no surprise.
Exactly! Fr. Groeschel and the Catholic Answers crowd are heretics in an apostate sect. Period, end of sentence!
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Apparently Groeschel rejected the infallible dogmatic teaching ,"outside the church there is no salvation". Apparently EWTN also rejects that teaching.
................................... God is Catholic ...................................
In fact, God is more Catholic than all of the members of the Church combined. Remember that God is the head of his Church(the body of christ), and the head is part of the body. Plus, is not Jesus the high priest within the Church? So how can Jesus be the high priest within the Catholic Church without being Catholic? Also, Jesus asked Saul(saint Paul), "why do you persecute me?". It was the Church that Saul(saint Paul) was persecuting. So Jesus equates himself with the Church itself,, not the Baptist church, not the Lutheran church, not the Mormon church, but only the Holy Catholic Church. So Fr. Groeschel is wrong. God is clearly Catholic, and if anyone tells you he is not, then they are not worshipping the one true Jesus Christ who founded the "Catholic" Church?
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
Another thread exactly like this one was posted in CAF. Most of those in CAF agreed with Father Groeschel that God is not Catholic.
no surprise there, that is a worse forum then FE....by far.......a lot of Neocons and New Churchers
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
Not much from what I can see/hear over yrs, Chris Ferrera did some good work on this......
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St Francis said:
Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.
Yes, and there are still those Catholics that Benedict is a "Pope" .
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Wonder who the destroyer is-Satan? a demon? John XXIII? Buginin?
sounds like a singular use/person.....
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There are still Catholics that believe that this destroyer is a "Pope" (grammer correction)
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Wonder who the destroyer is-Satan? a demon? John XXIII? Buginin?
sounds like a singular use/person.....
Good point, Belloc. Sedes believe that all the pretenders to the throne from Paul V1 on were destroyers.
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The definition of a Catholic is one who has been baptised into Christ and holds the True Faith. Strictly speaking it would be better to say that the Catholic Faith is the Faith founded by and leading to God. I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic." Was God "Jєωιѕн" in the OT?
I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.
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The definition of a Catholic is one who has been baptised into Christ and holds the True Faith. Strictly speaking it would be better to say that the Catholic Faith is the Faith founded by and leading to God. I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic." Was God "Jєωιѕн" in the OT?
I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.
True.
The Catholic (Christian) Religion was founded by Jesus through The Descent of The Holy Ghost as The Means of Salvation. God is not actually, "Catholic" -- He is God. He doesn't have to be anything else. He is ALL.
Being a Catholic is something humans need for Salvation.
It is THE WAY. God does not need a Way: Jesus IS The Way, and He is God The Son, as we all know.
The statement though, does elude to ecuмenism and everyone is "saved" -- IMHO, due to his blatant stance on the issue. It takes out of context what it really means: just like a good Modernist does.
BTW: I don't like Fr. Groeschel's "opinions" --he is a danger to those who know little or nothing of The True Religion. I think it's the "...bells ..." he tinkles, that make people swoon.
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With regard to the evil Benedict Groeschel:
Saint Francis of Assisi prophesied that his order, the Franciscans, would become corrupt:
The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.
Taken from “The Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi” Washbourne, A.D. 1882. pp.248-250.
...I read the red type, and that sucked me
in okay. Now I read it TWICE. Good stuff. Good job, Sede!
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Thank you, Neil.
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In the video, the grovelly voice of this "father" says that we are involved in those other religions because those religions are peopled by people who have an eternal soul...
...ok....
...so why not lead them the The Truth, "father"????
Leaving those eternal souls in their falsehood is a real danger to their souls.
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I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic."
I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.
You say Groeschel's statement is stupid, and yet you agree with his statement?
God is Catholic. Do you deny that the Church is the "Mystical Body of Christ"? Do you deny that the "Mystical Body of Christ" is also in some mysterious way Christ himself? Do you deny that Christ is God? As I said in an earlier post, Jesus equated himself to the Church when he asked Saul(saint Paul) this question, "Saul, Saul, why does thou persecute me?". Note that Saul had been persecuting the Church. So Jesus is not only Catholic, but is Catholic in a way that is deeper and more mysterious than we can ever know.
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The Catholic (Christian) Religion was founded by Jesus through The Descent of The Holy Ghost as The Means of Salvation. God is not actually, "Catholic" -- He is God. He doesn't have to be anything else. He is ALL.
Being a Catholic is something humans need for Salvation.
So you deny that the founder of his "OWN" Church is a part of his "OWN" Church? Catholic means Universal, so how can he be thee high priest within his "OWN" Church and not be in Universal Communion with all the members within his "OWN" Church? If he is the head of his "OWN" Church, then isn't the head part of the body?
You are correct when you say being a member of the Church for sons and daughters of Adam is about Salvation, but you are wrong to conclude that Salvation is the only reason for the Church. You are also wrong to conclude that all those who are not sons and daughters of Adam are somehow not in the Church. God, the Angels, and the Saints in Heaven are in Universal Holy Communion with the rest of mankind on earth. Therefore God, the Angels and the Saints are Catholic.
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I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic."
I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.
You say Groeschel's statement is stupid, and yet you agree with his statement?
God is Catholic. Do you deny that the Church is the "Mystical Body of Christ"? Do you deny that the "Mystical Body of Christ" is also in some mysterious way Christ himself? Do you deny that Christ is God? As I said in an earlier post, Jesus equated himself to the Church when he asked Saul(saint Paul) this question, "Saul, Saul, why does thou persecute me?". Note that Saul had been persecuting the Church. So Jesus is not only Catholic, but is Catholic in a way that is deeper and more mysterious than we can ever know.
His statement was stupid in that he intended it as an overtly ecuмentical statement. We've all heard people say "God isn't Catholic, God isn't muslim, God isn't Jєωιѕн" etc. The underlying motive here is a false ecuмenism.
The Church is the Body of Christ. Christ is the Head of the Church, of course. Saying that God is actually "Catholic" doesn't seem to make much sense based on what a Catholic actually is: see my previous post if you forget.
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The Catholic Faith was given to us for salvation.
God doesn't need to be saved.
Yes. The reason for The Catholic Faith is for Salvation. What else?
Adam and Eve did not need it before they sinned; but God promised to send The Redeemer since we would need it for salvation after they sinned. They had to wait for Christ to come to open The Gates of Heaven for theirs until The Church was given after Jesus rose and Ascended. So did Abraham and others over the Centuries have to wait for Christ to come, itd.
This thread started out as Fr. Groeschel handing people a partial truth that more than obviously eludes to ecuмenism, and has gone into what seems to be a nonsensical direction regarding God's "Faith."
The Angels & Saints are all part of The Communion of Saints indeed, and they are no longer Catholic in Heaven. The Catholic Faith is a means to and end: HEAVEN. We will also cease to be Catholic when we hopefully all become citizens of Heaven one day, so to speak.
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His statements, regardless, are mis-leading and he has made many such statements of universal salvation over the yrs and telling people not have to convert and they are fine as a Prot, Jєωs,etc.......
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Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.
Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESx2h8wen0&feature=player_embedded
I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.
My response would be as follows:
"God is not a Catholic." -Fr. Groeschel
"Fr. Groeschel is not a Catholic." -God
:smirk:
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The definition of a Catholic is one who has been baptised into Christ and holds the True Faith. Strictly speaking it would be better to say that the Catholic Faith is the Faith founded by and leading to God. I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic." Was God "Jєωιѕн" in the OT?
I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.
True.
The Catholic (Christian) Religion was founded by Jesus through The Descent of The Holy Ghost as The Means of Salvation. God is not actually, "Catholic" -- He is God. He doesn't have to be anything else. He is ALL.
Being a Catholic is something humans need for Salvation.
It is THE WAY. God does not need a Way: Jesus IS The Way, and He is God The Son, as we all know.
The statement though, does elude to ecuмenism and everyone is "saved" -- IMHO, due to his blatant stance on the issue. It takes out of context what it really means: just like a good Modernist does.
BTW: I don't like Fr. Groeschel's "opinions" --he is a danger to those who know little or nothing of The True Religion. I think it's the "...bells ..." he tinkles, that make people swoon.
God MUST be Catholic, not due to being bound to, but because the Catholic Faith reflects, in a speck, the Will and Mind of the God who created It; as you mantain the Faith, you are one with the Will and Mind of God. Affirming the contrary is affirming in favor of indifferentism, founded on the opinion that God is not to be restricted to a specific religious idea.
And it is fallatious to question whether God was "Jєωιѕн" in the OT, because the Catholic Faith is the fullness of what God has willed to reveal to mankind, which could not be revealed due to the hardness of heart of the Jєωs at the time. And, in any case, we are the new Israel and the legitimate continuation of the Jєωιѕн religion, and the saints in the Old Testament are Catholics in the full sense of the word, just as the saints the New Testament are Catholic, otherwise, why even call them the Church Triumphant?
It is also fallatious to say that, since God doesn't need to be saved, or doesn't need the Sacraments, then He is not Catholic... He INSTITUTED the Sacraments, for pete's sake. True, He is not bound by them but He willed to create them for our benefit; plus, as I explained, the Catholic Faith goes beyond that.
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Fr. Groeschel is a heretic. God is not Catholic? Really? Why do you even claim to be Catholic then, Fr. Groeschel?
About 15 years ago I saw him on EWTN bragging about usually being mistaken for a Jєω. He has since refined his rabbinical affectations, or those of an understanding old shrink.
When he was struck by a car in Florida some years ago, I hoped his injuries would force him to repent of his horrific propaganda. IMO, his sympathy for Sandusky was what finally jogged some people awake, but he's been the wise champion for sex offenders for ages. I think bishops sent offenders to him for "counseling".
Groeschel's "God is not Catholic" statement is really here nor there, considering his career and how many potential people he has helped go to Hell. He loves his pederasts and masons and being the spokesperson for the cancer in the Concilliar Church.
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I understand he has resigned from ewtn. he is getting old,
we should pray for him
:pray: :pray: :pray:
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Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.
Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mESx2h8wen0&feature=player_embedded
I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.
Why should I listen to him when he says the victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse seduced the pedophile priests. Little boys and girls seduced the innocent pedophiles...
*LOL* and then there is corapi. Etwn is full of sin.
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It is a shame. Unfortunately, what Father has said in regards to sɛҳuąƖ buse and blaming the victim is what is believed by most vatican II priests who thing pedophile is ok with Jesus.. a special love. Same with gαy priests. and yes, there are some good and holy priest who have remained celebate..
New workbook is out called called to table: celibacy as an option. No more vows of marriage or even vows of chasity for Priesthood.
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The thing is happening now is that these liberal clergy of vatican II are pushing for secularism in our government.
How sad that vatican II democrats who call themselves catholics booed God at national democratic convention. I cried..
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Soon the Penal law of our ancestors might be back again here in the united states which is scary.
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Hmmmm, interesting!
The Catholic religion is FAITH... Faith is something we believe in, right!
Thinking about that remark, "God is not Catholic" ... When we are in Heaven we don't need Faith, because we KNOW. God who knows all things does not need Faith.
The Catholic Church was founded by God, as a path for mankind to reach Heaven, and God proved it was the only path, the true path, but in heaven are we still Catholic because we will not need Faith anymore, since we wil have an all perfect knowledge.
Not defending the priest because he is giving bad example by his remark, he is indeed sinning in my opinion by saying that ... but when we reach Heaven we will all be Saints, not needing Faith anymore.
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I understand he has resigned from ewtn. he is getting old,
we should pray for him
:pray: :pray: :pray:
I'm, sorry, but three thumbs down for this comment? Really? This is a Catholic forum, is it not? A 'traditional' Catholic forum? Can someone help me understand why this priest should be devoid of our prayers for him?
I really hope this is a misunderstanding on my part.
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I understand he has resigned from ewtn. he is getting old,
we should pray for him
:pray: :pray: :pray:
I'm, sorry, but three thumbs down for this comment? Really? This is a Catholic forum, is it not? A 'traditional' Catholic forum? Can someone help me understand why this priest should be devoid of our prayers for him?
I really hope this is a misunderstanding on my part.
s2srea, there's more than one way to disrupt a forum, as you well know. Being as you are a disruptor. Someone who relentlessly spams the board with prayer icons as a way to pharisaically deflect criticism from the scandalous example of men like Father Groeschel is someone who is harming the board.
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If everyone posted like poche the board would be a collection of threads of prayer emoticons with an occasional comment such as "Jєωs are still the chosen people"
Novus Ordo sanctimony isn't welcome here.
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I understand he has resigned from ewtn. he is getting old,
we should pray for him
:pray: :pray: :pray:
I'm, sorry, but three thumbs down for this comment? Really? This is a Catholic forum, is it not? A 'traditional' Catholic forum? Can someone help me understand why this priest should be devoid of our prayers for him?
I really hope this is a misunderstanding on my part.
s2srea, there's more than one way to disrupt a forum, as you well know. Being as you are a disruptor. Someone who relentlessly spams the board with prayer icons as a way to pharisaically deflect criticism from the scandalous example of men like Father Groeschel is someone who is harming the board.
Thank you for explaining. God bless you, Joe, I've just offered a Hail Mary for you now.