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Offline Emerentiana

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Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2012, 02:41:56 PM »
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  • St Francis said:

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    Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.  


    Yes, and there are still those Catholics that  Benedict is a "Pope" .


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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 02:43:22 PM »
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  • Wonder who the destroyer is-Satan? a demon? John XXIII? Buginin?
    sounds like a singular use/person.....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 02:44:02 PM »
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  • There are still Catholics that believe that this destroyer is a "Pope"  (grammer correction)

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #18 on: September 06, 2012, 02:45:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    Wonder who the destroyer is-Satan? a demon? John XXIII? Buginin?
    sounds like a singular use/person.....


    Good point, Belloc.  Sedes believe that all the pretenders to the throne from Paul V1 on were destroyers.

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 03:02:32 PM »
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  • The definition of a Catholic is one who has been baptised into Christ and holds the True Faith. Strictly speaking it would be better to say that the Catholic Faith is the Faith founded by and leading to God. I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic." Was God "Jєωιѕн" in the OT?

    I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.


    Offline Clelia

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #20 on: September 06, 2012, 08:14:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Roland Deschain
    The definition of a Catholic is one who has been baptised into Christ and holds the True Faith. Strictly speaking it would be better to say that the Catholic Faith is the Faith founded by and leading to God. I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic." Was God "Jєωιѕн" in the OT?

    I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.


    True.

    The Catholic (Christian) Religion was founded by Jesus through The Descent of The Holy Ghost as The Means of Salvation. God is not actually, "Catholic" -- He is God. He doesn't have to be anything else. He is ALL.

    Being a Catholic is something humans need for Salvation.

    It is THE WAY. God does not need a Way: Jesus IS The Way, and He is God The Son, as we all know.

    The statement though, does elude to ecuмenism and everyone is "saved" -- IMHO, due to his blatant stance on the issue. It takes out of context what it really means: just like a good Modernist does.

    BTW: I don't like Fr. Groeschel's "opinions" --he is a danger to those who know little or nothing of The True Religion. I think it's the "...bells ..." he tinkles, that make people swoon.
    Leaving the Boyz Club of little popes. SWAK.

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #21 on: September 06, 2012, 08:29:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: Sede Catholic
    With regard to the evil Benedict Groeschel:

    Saint Francis of Assisi prophesied that his order, the Franciscans, would become corrupt:

    Quote from: Saint Francis of Assisi
    The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
    Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.






    Taken from “The Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi” Washbourne, A.D. 1882. pp.248-250.



    ...I read the red type, and that sucked me
    in okay. Now I read it TWICE. Good stuff. Good job, Sede!
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    Thank you, Neil.

    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #22 on: September 06, 2012, 09:18:25 PM »
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  • In the video, the grovelly voice of this "father" says that we are involved in those other religions because those religions are peopled by people who have an eternal soul...

    ...ok....

    ...so why not lead them the The Truth, "father"????

    Leaving those eternal souls in their falsehood is a real danger to their souls.  


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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #23 on: September 07, 2012, 01:52:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Roland Deschain
    I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic."

    I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.


    You say Groeschel's statement is stupid, and yet you agree with his statement?

    God is Catholic. Do you deny that the Church is the "Mystical Body of Christ"? Do you deny that the "Mystical Body of Christ" is also in some mysterious way Christ himself? Do you deny that Christ is God? As I said in an earlier post, Jesus equated himself to the Church when he asked Saul(saint Paul) this question, "Saul, Saul, why does thou persecute me?". Note that Saul had been persecuting the Church. So Jesus is not only Catholic, but is Catholic in a way that is deeper and more mysterious than we can ever know.

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #24 on: September 07, 2012, 02:08:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Clelia


    The Catholic (Christian) Religion was founded by Jesus through The Descent of The Holy Ghost as The Means of Salvation. God is not actually, "Catholic" -- He is God. He doesn't have to be anything else. He is ALL.

    Being a Catholic is something humans need for Salvation.

     


    So you deny that the founder of his "OWN" Church is a part of his "OWN" Church? Catholic means Universal, so how can he be thee high priest within his "OWN" Church and not be in Universal Communion with all the members within his "OWN" Church? If he is the head of his "OWN" Church, then isn't the head part of the body?

                  You are correct when you say being a member of the Church for sons and daughters of Adam is about Salvation, but you are wrong to conclude that Salvation is the only reason for the Church. You are also wrong to conclude that all those who are not sons and daughters of Adam are somehow not in the Church. God, the Angels, and the Saints in Heaven  are in Universal Holy Communion with the rest of mankind on earth. Therefore God, the Angels and the Saints are Catholic.

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #25 on: September 07, 2012, 05:13:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Deliveringit
    Quote from: Roland Deschain
    I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic."

    I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.


    You say Groeschel's statement is stupid, and yet you agree with his statement?

    God is Catholic. Do you deny that the Church is the "Mystical Body of Christ"? Do you deny that the "Mystical Body of Christ" is also in some mysterious way Christ himself? Do you deny that Christ is God? As I said in an earlier post, Jesus equated himself to the Church when he asked Saul(saint Paul) this question, "Saul, Saul, why does thou persecute me?". Note that Saul had been persecuting the Church. So Jesus is not only Catholic, but is Catholic in a way that is deeper and more mysterious than we can ever know.


    His statement was stupid in that he intended it as an overtly ecuмentical statement. We've all heard people say "God isn't Catholic, God isn't muslim, God isn't Jєωιѕн" etc. The underlying motive here is a false ecuмenism.

    The Church is the Body of Christ. Christ is the Head of the Church, of course. Saying that God is actually "Catholic" doesn't seem to make much sense based on what a Catholic actually is: see my previous post if you forget.


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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #26 on: September 07, 2012, 09:23:57 AM »
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  • The Catholic Faith was given to us for salvation.

    God doesn't need to be saved.

    Yes. The reason for The Catholic Faith is for Salvation. What else?

    Adam and Eve did not need it before they sinned; but God promised to send The Redeemer since we would need it for salvation after they sinned. They had to wait for Christ to come to open The Gates of Heaven for theirs until The Church was given after Jesus rose and Ascended. So did Abraham and others over the Centuries have to wait for Christ to come, itd.

    This thread started out as Fr. Groeschel handing people a partial truth that more than obviously eludes to ecuмenism, and has gone into what seems to be a nonsensical  direction regarding God's "Faith."

    The Angels & Saints are all part of The Communion of Saints indeed, and they are no longer  Catholic in Heaven. The Catholic Faith is a means to and end: HEAVEN. We will also cease to be Catholic when we hopefully all become citizens of Heaven one day, so to speak.
    Leaving the Boyz Club of little popes. SWAK.

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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #27 on: September 07, 2012, 09:31:28 AM »
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  • His statements, regardless, are mis-leading and he has made many such statements of universal salvation over the yrs and telling people not have to convert and they are fine as a Prot, Jєωs,etc.......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #28 on: September 07, 2012, 05:31:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Deliveringit
    Father Groeschel made disturbing comments recently when he blamed the young victims for the priests sex abuse scandals. But a while back Fr. Groeschel had said on EWTN that God is not Catholic. What is your opinion on that? Do you agree with him that God is not Catholic? If so, then why? Or do you believe God is Catholic? If so, then please explain why.

    Here is the link of him saying God is not Catholic,,,




    I'm looking forward to the opinions all of you have.


    My response would be as follows:

    "God is not a Catholic." -Fr. Groeschel
    "Fr. Groeschel is not a Catholic." -God


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    Fr. Groeschel says God is not Catholic, what say all of you?
    « Reply #29 on: September 08, 2012, 01:26:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clelia
    Quote from: Roland Deschain
    The definition of a Catholic is one who has been baptised into Christ and holds the True Faith. Strictly speaking it would be better to say that the Catholic Faith is the Faith founded by and leading to God. I'm not sure it is theologically correct to state that God is actually "Catholic." Was God "Jєωιѕн" in the OT?

    I'm sure the inclusive and ecuмentical Fr. Groeschel was trying to show how very tolerant and modern he is by making such a stupid statement.


    True.

    The Catholic (Christian) Religion was founded by Jesus through The Descent of The Holy Ghost as The Means of Salvation. God is not actually, "Catholic" -- He is God. He doesn't have to be anything else. He is ALL.

    Being a Catholic is something humans need for Salvation.

    It is THE WAY. God does not need a Way: Jesus IS The Way, and He is God The Son, as we all know.

    The statement though, does elude to ecuмenism and everyone is "saved" -- IMHO, due to his blatant stance on the issue. It takes out of context what it really means: just like a good Modernist does.

    BTW: I don't like Fr. Groeschel's "opinions" --he is a danger to those who know little or nothing of The True Religion. I think it's the "...bells ..." he tinkles, that make people swoon.


    God MUST be Catholic, not due to being bound to, but because the Catholic Faith reflects, in a speck, the Will and Mind of the God who created It; as you mantain the Faith, you are one with the Will and Mind of God. Affirming the contrary is affirming in favor of indifferentism, founded on the opinion that God is not to be restricted to a specific religious idea.

    And it is fallatious to question whether God was "Jєωιѕн" in the OT, because the Catholic Faith is the fullness of what God has willed to reveal to mankind, which could not be revealed due to the hardness of heart of the Jєωs at the time. And, in any case, we are the new Israel and the legitimate continuation of the Jєωιѕн religion, and the saints in the Old Testament are Catholics in the full sense of the word, just as the saints the New Testament are Catholic, otherwise, why even call them the Church Triumphant?

    It is also fallatious to say that, since God doesn't need to be saved, or doesn't need the Sacraments, then He is not Catholic... He INSTITUTED the Sacraments, for pete's sake. True, He is not bound by them but He willed to create them for our benefit; plus, as I explained, the Catholic Faith goes beyond that.