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Fr. Gaudron, SSPX on Popes New Book
« on: December 12, 2010, 11:45:21 PM »
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  • Light… and shadows in Light of the World by Fr. Matthias Gaudron

    Fr. Matthias Gaudron, of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, was ordained a priest by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais in 1990. For twelve years he was rector of the International Seminary of the Sacred Heart in Zaitzkofen (Bavaria). He is currently serving at the Priory of Saint Peter in Berlin. Author of the Catholic Catechism of the Crisis in the Church (Angelus Press), he is a consultant to the commission of the Society of Saint Pius X responsible for the doctrinal discussions with the Holy See. We publish here the review which he wrote of the work by Benedict XVI, as of its publication in Germany, and which was posted online on Saturday, November 27, on the site of the German district.

    Once more among the many deeds and gestures of the pope, some isolated and not even central statements are being blown out of proportion and threaten to make us forget all the rest. Just as his critical comments about Islam – during his speech at Regensburg – and his words about condoms – during his trip to Africa – were retransmitted in a distorted way that often showed little fidelity to the truth, so now in that same tone the international media recently heralded the “fact” that the pope had finally permitted condom use, and that they solemnized this event as a historic reversal in the world of Catholic morality.

    Did the Pope permit the use of condoms?

    The fact of the matter is, the Pope simply said that one might see a male prostitute’s use of a condom with the intention of preventing the transmission of AIDS as a first step toward his own moralization and assumption of responsibility. One might, along the same lines, say that a murderous thief’s decision to restrict his future activities to larceny, so as to cease making attempts on the lives of others, could be seen subjectively as the first step toward his moralization. To conclude that theft would therefore become morally defensible is just as unfair as the assertions of certain bishops and theologians, according to whom Benedict XVI finally opened the door to certain means of contraception.

    We must note however that the Pope’s reference to “particular cases” provides a certain basis for such interpretations. He actually should have taken advantage of Peter Seewald’s question, whether the Church is not “opposed in principle to the use of condoms” to remove all doubt. But he simply answers that the Church does not consider condoms to be a “real or moral solution,” although “in this or that case,” condom use could “be a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more humane way… of living sɛҳuąƖity” (Light of the World, Ignatius Press, 2010, p. 119). To put it politely, that is a weak argument. Of course the pope did not deny that sɛҳuąƖity can be lived out in a manner consistent with God’s will and human dignity only within the context of marriage, and that condoms or any other method of artificial contraception must be rejected morally, but neither did he clearly affirm it, which would be quite necessary today. As a result, and because of his desire to go as far as possible to meet the secularized world and not hurt anyone, he shares with the media a certain responsibility for the confusion and deception that this recent information has caused among faithful Catholics.

    We must also note, in the statement that the Catholic Church approves of natural family planning (p. 147), a certain relaxation of Catholic morality. Certainly, it is morally defensible for a couple to use the infertile periods in the female cycle to space births or even to limit their number, but only in the case where the growth of the family would not be morally responsible, because of health or economic considerations, or other similarly serious reasons. The pope’s statement may give the impression that spouses would be permitted to use natural family planning just as others would use other methods of artificial contraception, that is, with the goal of having no children or at most a limited number of them. Now that is not at all in keeping with Catholic morals, given that procreation is the principal goal of marriage.

    The cases of abuse of minors – celibacy

    Clearly, the cases of sɛҳuąƖ abuse committed by Catholic priests occupy a major portion of the work. Concerning the problem of the cover-up of these cases by certain ecclesiastical authorities, the Pope makes the interesting observation that the “ecclesiastical penal law functioned until the late 1950s… After the mid-sixties, however, it was simply not applied any more. The prevailing mentality was that the Church must not be a Church of laws but, rather, a Church of love; she must not punish” (pp. 25-26). These comments allude to the disaster that was to befall the Church with the Second Vatican Council. But that problem is not addressed in the book.

    Meanwhile, the question of celibacy is back on the floor. Benedict XVI does not venture to sketch a relaxation of the Roman discipline of priestly celibacy. However, what he says about priests who cohabit with women is peculiar. In such cases, he says, “one must examine whether a real will to marry is present and whether [the priest and his concubine] could build a good marriage. If that is the case, they must follow that path” (p. 39). This does indeed conform to the current practice of Rome, of systematically secularizing such priests, but it is in flagrant contradiction with the ecclesiastical discipline before Vatican II. To allow a priest so easily to contract marriage calls into question the true meaning of the vow of chastity that he made. Does a definitive promise made before God to practice continence have such slight significance? A married man cannot simply leave when life in common with his spouse seems to have become tiresome. Furthermore, what conjugal fidelity can be expected of a priest who did not hesitate to reject the most sacred oaths that exist?

    The pope correctly points out that celibacy is feasible and credible “only … if there is a God and if celibacy is my doorway into the kingdom of God. In this sense, celibacy is a special kind of sign.” Therefore “t is important for priests not to live off on their own somewhere, in isolation, but to accompany one another in small communities, to support one another, and so to experience, and constantly realize afresh, their communion in service to Christ and in renunciation for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven” (p. 149). Since its foundation, the Priestly Society of St. Pius X has put this ideal into practice.

    Man is capable of truth

    The words of the Pope on the subject of the “dictatorship of relativism” are among the most important passages of his book. Contrary to “a large proportion of contemporary philosophies,” Benedict XVI firmly professes man’s capacity for truth and voices concern that “the concept of truth has become suspect” (p. 50). In this context, he even finds strong words against the intolerance toward Christianity that is characteristic of modern society: “When, for example, in the name of non-discrimination, people try to force the Catholic Church to change her position on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity or the ordination of women, then that means that she is no longer allowed to live out her own identity and that, instead, an abstract, negative religion is being made into a tyrannical standard that everyone must follow” (p. 52). “In the name of tolerance, tolerance is being abolished; this is a real threat we face” (p. 53).

    The Williamson Affair

    There is a whole chapter dedicated to the “Williamson affair”. The Pope’s opinion that Bishop Williamson “was never Catholic in the proper sense”, since “he was an Anglican and then went over directly to Lefebvre,” is not right (pp. 121-122). Richard Williamson was not in the Society of St. Pius X when he converted to Catholicism; he did so independently of it, before entering the seminary in Écône. What is more, at the time when he entered, among the first groups of seminarians, the Society enjoyed the full approval of the competent ecclesiastical authorities.

    It is interesting to learn (p.121) that already under the pontificate of John Paul II, a reunion of all the heads of dicasteries had decided to grant the lifting of the excommunication if the bishops asked for it. Besides this, hardly any mention is made of the Society of St. Pius X, or of other traditional communities, in the Pope’s work. The liberalization of the traditional Mass was supposed to be a sign for the internal coherence of the Church’s history; Benedict XVI’s adoption of the distribution of communion on the tongue is in his eyes a “clear signal” in favor of the Real Presence (pp. 158-159). The Pope claims here to have nothing against communion in the hand in principle, and to consider the New Mass as the normal form of celebration, but at the same time regularly repeats that the liturgy should not be open to a celebrant’s creative antics.

    Ecuмenism and Relations with the Jєωs

    Ecuмenism is ever and always for Benedict XVI the path that the Church should follow. He insistently evokes the good relations that he maintains, principally with several directors of Orthodox communities. As for the Protestants, he has to admit that they, “with women’s ordination and the acceptance of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partnerships,” etc., have rather distanced themselves from the Church (p. 94), a fact which, however, in no way makes him question his ecuмenical orientations. St. Augustine wrote concerning heretics: “On many points they are with me, only on a few are they not with me: but because of these few points on which they differ from me, it is no good for them to be with me on all the rest.” (In Psalm. 54, n. 19; PL 36,641). Although Benedict XVI holds the bishop of Hippo in great esteem, he certainly seems to differ from him on this point, since he looks for all the points he has in common with the Protestants. The name “ecclesial community” (and not Church) given to the Protestants is supposed to show “that such communities embody a different mode of being a church” (p. 95). According to Benedict XVI, “Protestantism has, as it were, shifted the accent of Christianity and … we are trying to understand this, to acknowledge one another as Christians, and to join in service as Christians” (p. 95). This positive outlook on Protestantism is in contradiction with the traditional teaching of the Church. Each Protestant taken as a private person can certainly be “bona fide”, that is, in good faith for lack of knowledge, but Protestantism in itself cannot be said to be “a different mode of being a church”, it is separated from the Church of Christ.

    Benedict XVI’s clear defense of Pope Pius XII against the unjust and untenable accusations that in the wake of dramatist Rolf Hochhuth (1) are constantly being made against him, is a source of great joy (pp. 109-110). When objectors say that Pius XII had “old-fashioned ideas about the Jєωs” – in spite of everything he did to save them – and that he did not measure up to Vatican Council II”, Benedict XVI rejects this criticism, but he proves again that he at least measures up to Vatican II. Indeed, rather than speaking of “elder brothers” – an expression that the Jєωs, drawing a connection with Esau (the reprobate brother) might find hurtful – Benedict XVI speaks of “our fathers in the faith” (p. 82). Although that is true of the Jєωs of the Old Testament, it is not true of those living today who expressly reject Christ and His Church. His explanations of the new prayers that he introduced into the traditional Good Friday rite are still more obscure. Contrary to many trends of modern theology, the Holy Father remarks “that there are not two channels of salvation, so that Christ is also the redeemer of the Jєωs and not just of the Gentiles.” He immediately adds, however, that in the new prayer, we do not make “a direct petition for the conversion of the Jєωs in a missionary sense,” but rather ask “that the Lord might bring about the hour of history when we may all be united” (p. 107). For anyone who thinks logically, it will be difficult to understand why we would not pray for the conversion of the Jєωs, if it is given that Christ is their Savior. What is more, in reading the prayer introduced by Benedict XVI: “Let us pray for the Jєωs, that the Lord Our God may enlighten their hearts, that they may recognize Christ as the Savior of all men”, the normal faithful will be led to think that we are praying for the conversion of the Jєωs.

    The Crisis of the Church

    The crisis of the Church, especially concerning Europe and North America, is often mentioned. Because of the Pope’s (and Peter Seewald’s) origin, the particular situation of Germany receives special attention. Benedict XVI is aware that “in Catholic Germany there is a rather large group of people who, so to say, are on the lookout for an opportunity to attack the Pope” (p. 125). He cannot understand why in Germany, where every child has between nine and thirteen years of religious instruction, “so very little sticks” (p. 140). What a euphemism! The Pope cannot but know that the official books of Catholic teaching transmit anything but the Catholic faith, and that most of the professors of religion, in spite of the canonical mission given by the bishop, are not qualified to transmit the Faith. Consequently, his exhortation to bishops to “seriously reflect on ways to give catechesis a new heart” should probably be understood as an implicit criticism.

    In Conclusion

    In this new book, Benedict XVI stays true to his course. He remains the teaching and pacific [? irenic?] Pope, who does his best to understand everything, to avoid extremes and to reconcile in the Church modern reasonings and Tradition. Already in 1985 he said so himself in his book-length interview with Vittorio Messori, The Ratzinger Report: “I have always tried to remain true to Vatican II, to this today of the Church”, without “any impatient thrust toward a tomorrow that is not ours”, but also without anachronistic “longing for a yesterday irretrievably gone”. (p. 19 of the English edition, Ignatius Press, 1985)

    This book will certainly open the eyes of many who know little or nothing of the Catholic Church to the deformations and errors propagated by the press. In his introductions to his different questions, Peter Seewald clarifies the facts several times, which paints a picture very different from those that are now widespread in the public. Perhaps we could not hope for more for the time being. The Priestly Society of St. Pius X is however of the opinion that the Church cannot have a renewal without a clear condemnation of the false developments realized since Vatican II and without a return to her perennial Tradition. (Source: SSPX-Germany – DICI 226, December 12, 2010)

    (1) Author of the play The Deputy.


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    Fr. Gaudron, SSPX on Popes New Book
    « Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 03:38:43 AM »
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  • Forget Fr. Gaudron.
    He's liberal by now.

    Ten years ago he condemned all the mistakes of then Cardinal Ratzinger's docuмent "Dominus Jesus" in a rather traditional catholic way, but today he relatives the relativism of Benedict.

    They don't think, talk and act like Archbishop Lefebvre anymore, but like double thinkers. This way they're ready to come to terms with doubling thinking Benedict XVI.

    In spring 2009 Fr. Gaudron teamed up with a well known anti-christian TV moderator in his scuмmy TV show, in order to verbally "slaughter" Bishop Williamson in the public.
    It's been disgusting and it's nothing to do with the question whether you like Bishop Williamson or not.
    No catholic can ever act like Fr. Gaurdon did (and still does if there's an opportunity).

    Just disgusting.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 04:01:33 AM »
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  • Apparently Ethl didn't read the article, since Fr. G defends +Willy in it and at the end basically calls B16 still a modernist who ain't gettin' it....but what is one to expect....


    I love comments by people like..."no cathiolic can ever act as Fr. G."

    I see dopey declaration like this here and on FE a lot.   What we have displayed by such holierthanthouness....is Candyland

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    « Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 05:06:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: scipio_a
    Apparently Ethl didn't read the article

    I've not been talking about this article, but about Fr. Gaudron in general.

    Since Fr. Gaudron is the German SSPX' "chief dogmatist" a lot of his double thinking talk is published in his native German language in many chapels.

    I don't know if the quoted English translation above reflects what he's saying in general.
    I also don't know if the above has been published before or after his superior Fr. Schmidberger reprimanded him for his silly first comments on Benedict's condom disaster.

    Oh, now being logged in, I see that I don't see your comment at all! That's because you're in my hide list from the beginning because you talked so much nonsense. Well then, good bye. :-)

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    « Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 06:50:16 AM »
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    They don't think, talk and act like Archbishop Lefebvre anymore, but like double thinkers. This way they're ready to come to terms with doubling thinking Benedict XVI.


    If you believe someone who disagrees with everything you stand for is your spiritual leader and is incapable of being aware that he is opposed to you in everything you have become a kind of modernist yourself.  

    It's exactly analagous to a what a modernist says.  A modernist says he believes in all the doctrines of the Church but casts doubts and suspicions on everything that is fundamental to the Faith.  An SSPXer asserts the Pope is truly Pope but disagrees with the Pope on how he expresses nearly all the fundamentals of the Faith.  The Modernist says man cannot know reality, the SSPX says the Pope cannot know that doesn't really hold the Faith.

    Yes, it is extremely weak, what Father Gaudron said.  His remarks on condoms look like backtracking from what was written on dici.org.



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    « Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 06:54:06 AM »
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  • To restate succinctly:

    The Modernist says man cannot know reality, the SSPX says the Pope cannot know reality.

    (in particular the realities that the Catholic Faith reveals)

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    « Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 08:43:26 AM »
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    Forget Fr. Gaudron.
    He's liberal by now.


    You're expecting an awful lot by assuming people will take you as an authority on anything.  I guess the people predisposed will welcome your words, but I wonder if you could give us real examples as proof of your accusations.  Give us an example of Fr. Gaudron's liberalism, give us an example of what you think constitutes 'double-speak'.  You're awfully liberal with peoples' character and reputation, let's start citing some proof.  


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    « Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 09:05:43 AM »
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  • It seems some will never be satisfied unless the SSPX takes the sede stance, mocks the Pope at every turn, calls him names, interprets everything he says in the worst possible light as proof he is the anti-christ, and then shakes the dust from their feet. Bishop Fellay may as well call a conclave as far as they are concerned.

    Fr. Gaudron gives a reasoned analysis of the Pope's words from a Traditional perspective. He holds the Traditional perspective while pointing out distinctions with charity. This is the proper way to point out disagreements to the Pope. Not to write a rambling sarcastic polemic to please a minute number of bitter people who sit on the sidelines as the Church crumbles.

    Is Fr. Gaudron going to be taken seriously or make any progress by telling off the Pope in a public manner? Those who wish for this should seriously examine their own consciences and the reason for the discussions with Rome in the first place. The goal is to return Rome to Tradition, not to selfishly score "gotcha" points or use the discussions as a chance to embarrass or ridicule Rome.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 09:14:21 AM »
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  • Some seem to forget that the great ABL even had conferences with Paul VI and JPII.  Where are all the shrieks and shrills?  Where are the charges of double-speak and liberalism?

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    « Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 09:15:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus


     The goal is to return Rome to Tradition...

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    If the people in Rome have abandoned Tradition, they have abandoned the Faith.

    So the goal is to convert people to Catholicism (or back to it if they ever had it). Yet you claim they are already Catholic.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 09:25:37 AM »
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  • They are Catholic in that they deny no dogmas.

    The Society is trying to return them to Tradition in their liturgy and the way they understand certain doctrines.

    Modernists are not like outright heretics. They believe in the truth and in Tradition, yet they also believe in novelties. They have a mental condition whereas they truly believe their novelties and Tradition are reconcilable and hold both at the same time.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 09:32:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    It seems some will never be satisfied unless the SSPX takes the sede stance, mocks the Pope at every turn, calls him names, interprets everything he says in the worst possible light as proof he is the anti-christ, and then shakes the dust from their feet. Bishop Fellay may as well call a conclave as far as they are concerned.

    Fr. Gaudron gives a reasoned analysis of the Pope's words from a Traditional perspective. He holds the Traditional perspective while pointing out distinctions with charity. This is the proper way to point out disagreements to the Pope. Not to write a rambling sarcastic polemic to please a minute number of bitter people who sit on the sidelines as the Church crumbles.

    Is Fr. Gaudron going to be taken seriously or make any progress by telling off the Pope in a public manner? Those who wish for this should seriously examine their own consciences and the reason for the discussions with Rome in the first place. The goal is to return Rome to Tradition, not to selfishly score "gotcha" points or use the discussions as a chance to embarrass or ridicule Rome.


    That's the way some sedes are. They refuse to attend a TLM if it's not being said by a sede group. Some sedes are so stubborn and full of pride that all that really matters to them is everyone and everything being sedevacanist. Fortunetly, we have very few sede like that here. Even still, there are such sedes out there.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 09:54:22 AM »
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    Modernists are not like outright heretics. They believe in the truth and in Tradition, yet they also believe in novelties. They have a mental condition whereas they truly believe their novelties and Tradition are reconcilable and hold both at the same time.



    You are a wishful thinker who is being fooled by wishful thinkers or charlatans.

     Modernism is a heresy --  the "synthesis of all heresies".


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    « Reply #13 on: December 13, 2010, 10:01:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    They are Catholic in that they deny no dogmas.

    The Society is trying to return them to Tradition in their liturgy and the way they understand certain doctrines.

    Modernists are not like outright heretics. They believe in the truth and in Tradition, yet they also believe in novelties. They have a mental condition whereas they truly believe their novelties and Tradition are reconcilable and hold both at the same time.
    :facepalm: Stevus, please review what St. Pope Pius X declared Modernism to be!  Please!

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    « Reply #14 on: December 13, 2010, 10:15:39 AM »
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  • Modernism is a synthesis of heresies. People can be Modernist in their thought process and not be outright heretics. Modernism is, at its heart, confusion and a mixture of truth and error. Modernist language confuses meanings of words. Thus proving a Modernist uttered heresy much less formally so is like trying to nail jello to the wall.