Fr. Chazal asked to have this posted.


Dear Mr Chojnowski,

As the new Rome sinks to new lows, in this never ending crisis of the Church, sedevacantism is only an added confusion.
All of us agree those in Rome should not be there, but in the lack of courageous prelates to take them on, some say they lose office automatically (sedevacantists), and others, much to the exasperation of the former, leave it to God.

Yet some of the questions you raise are interesting. Are we going to hold indefinitely that there is a Pope over there in Rome? What degree of heretical depravity is it going to take until we finally admit that the pope is no pope?

You are contending that now, with Francis, the measure is full, and while others saw it in John Paul II, others in 1969, others in 1963, others in 1958, etc.
This is one of the big problem of the theory of automated loss of office, which is distinct from the case of implicit resignation. There is no way to ascertainwhen exactly the office was lost, because the assessment is left to our personal estimation of the gravity of the heresies of the accused. Filipinos here don t even know what a heresy is, let alone what Modernism is; whereas if you ask my opinion, i personally believe that Paul VI and John Paul II were heretics. So i should have become sedevacantist before even i was born and Filipinos will join Fr Soliman, our only sedevacantist priest here, in 2100AD.

Of course, if a monkey or the Antichrist himself ascends the throne, i will cease to pray for what s sitting over there at the Canon of the Mass.

As for Fr Kramer, a huge 1000 pages trilogy is coming and i have promised to read his first volume, but i am not completely sure he embraces the same position as Fr Cekada. Is Fr Kramer forcing people to hold his theory as Fr Cekada does, or does he hold it as an opinion still? I don't know. Last time we met he did not cut sacramental ties with us at least.
The doctrinal bloodbath with Mr Salza and Siscoe persuades me to talk directly with him rather than via internet, and i have learned a lot from him even if i can t agree with him on everything. Same with his two arch enemies. Same with you now alas.

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Then there is the question of authority. The modern notion of it entails that as long as someone is in authority he must be followed, (to the exception of mass murder), more or less. 
This false principle has enabled all the reforms of Vatican II to pass. The vast majority of Catholics simply obeyed, because Paul VI said "I am in charge".
This crisis of the Church would never have happened without this positivism, this voluntarism, this rampart for the cowardice of the masses.
Yet the History of the Church shows prelates, popes, even Peter himself who were resisted for their lack of conformity to the truth of the Gospel. 

Famously, the Archbishop asked respectfully "Whom should we obey? Pius IX and his Syllabus or Paul VI?". He went to Rome, wrote his "Dubia" etc. Truth settled once and for all, (by a previous instrument), prevails over instruments betraying the truth today.

You are asking me, and quite repetitively, to heed to authority if Francis is the Pope. No, i won t, because authority is not the truth, but only an instrument. The instrument can fail, truth can t. The authority instituted by Christ is only there to declare the truth already there, already revealed, if it goes off track it can safely be not followed.
Perhaps i have not sufficiently expanded that notion in my book. There should be a second revised edition.

It remains also that the instrument Christ instituted should not be discarded prematurely, nay, for the sake of the truth who will use this instrument again, we should leave it to God to fix it, if there are not enough prelates to bring a bad Pope to bay.

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And if we keep a bad Pope, (aside from the reight relation beteween truth and authority), it is also for the reason of keeping the Church from splintering in many pieces: this does not mean we confuse the conciliar church with the Catholic Church. I dealt with that point in the last part, and captain obvious is on my side. The two churches are very clearly distinguished by yours truly.

If i follow your advice, i would hold to conclavism, because i believe that Peter will have perpetual actual successors until the end of time. The Papacy is of Divine Right and part of the Divine Constitution of the Church, and is the basis for the note of Apostolicity. A big problem indeed. This is what held back the Archbishop, he stated it clearly.

What should it not hold us now? Is there a pope more destructive than Paul VI? Francis is trying hard, but the damage he is doing cannot compare, in proportion with the Robespierrian Montini Pope. Likewise, in my opinion, John Paul II is the best figure of the Antichrist... who shall be loved by all, and anyone who shall not love him shall be deemed a monster.

At the practical level i would have to separate from the four resistance bishops, whom i respect very much today. To which sedevacantist sect or group must i turn then? Can i trust the Thuc line altogether?
Can my faithful here in Asia, weak, scattered and ignorant as they are survive the forseeable infightings and divisions that sedevacantism is famous for? And how can i continue to extract souls from the novus ordo to make them safe if i tell them that there is no pope on earth any more? 

Obviously, sedevacantism raises many more questions than answers. 
What is necessary and sufficient is to separate the New Rome and all its errors, as they emerged since Vatican II. 
You want us now to go beyond this well defined mission and attempt something much more complex, interminably debated, even among sedevacantists.

Therefore, if you could point where the precise arguments of the book are faulty, point by point; or at least refute one of the seven parts of the book, I would begrateful.
I am very sure bthat in the good old days of the Angelus you wrote something on Authority and truth, and that doctrine still stands today.
God bless you and thank you for your frankness and unconvoluted statements.

In Iesu et Maria,

Francois Chazal+

http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/06/fr-chazal-responds-to-gallican.html

Dr Chojnowski replies back to Fr Chazal:


Dear Father Chazal,
 
 First, I congratulate you on your willingness to discuss these questions, because you know that TRUTH is at stake.  Let me  first begin by stating that I have NEVER advised you to take any position on the question of the pope, whether sedevacantst, resignationist, conclavist, recognize and resist, or recognize and accept, This is a grave question that everyone must wrestle with. I have simply stated that by the arguments you have put forward to justify the papacy of Francis, you are ejecting Catholic dogma on the Church and the Papacy. In other words, you are destroying the very thing you are seeking to uphold.

Which doctrines am I speaking about? First, it is not the opinion of the "sedevacantists" (a term that I heard only began to be used in the 80s) that a public heretic defects from the faith and HENCE leaves the Church by his own accord. This is not any current groups position, it is the position of St. Robert Bellermine --- who says that it is the unanimous position of the Fathers of the Church, and the First Vatican Council and the theologians who followed into the 20th and 21st centuries. Not only is it their "opinion" Father, it is a necessary correlate of the Catholic Faith which says that the Church is a union of the faithful WHO HOLD THE SAME FAITH. Pope Pius XII is very clear that heresy, schism, and apostasy separate you automatically from the Church WITHOUT ANY CENSURE BEING NEEDED.  With your position, you have a Church of a mixture of heresy and orthodoxy --- really an ocean of heresy and apostasy and a drop of orthodoxy, such is not the Catholic Church. And no, the First Vatican Council agreed that there had NEVER BEEN A HERETICAL POPE, a man who was pope and who was a public heretic. To say that there has been is to say that the Church has defected, Christ has failed to fulfill his promises, and THE GATES OF HELL HAVE PREVAILED. Haven't the Fathers said that the "gates of hell" means HERESY. Father, I have to make a decision NOW as to where is the Catholic Church, who I need to obey, and what is the way of salvation. There is absolutely no reason why I have to wait until some cleric or someone (perhaps the future editor of the Remnant!) tells me WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL SITUATION WITH REGARD TO THE CHURCH IN MY OWN TIME! God has given us brains that we can all use, just as you have used yours in portraying what you say is the situation with regard to Francis. Listen, I was not the one who gave speeches in which I declared Francis to be a formal public heretic --- but you have. I am simply asking you to consider the implications of what you have put out to your own congregations and to the world at large via Youtube. Listen, you say that some highly placed clerics either now or later must judge the popes that have existed since Vatican II --- BUT YOU HAVE ALREADY JUDGED THEM BOTH IN PUBLIC SPEECHES AND WITHIN YOUR VERY NOTE TO ME. You yourself do not take seriously the idea that we have to "wait" to find out what is going on with Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict, and Francis. You have already told us that Francis is "impounded" and we do not have to listen to anything that he says and not concern ourselves at all anything that he does, because he cannot actualize the powers of the office that you yourself maintain he definitely has. Father, this is intellectual chaos. Father, Archbishop Lefebvre would NEVER hold your position. He may have said once that he left it to a future time for the Church to render a judgment on these Vatican II popes, but he CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY held the position that a heretical pope would not be a pope. That is why, to my knowledge reading as much as I have read of his works, he NEVER  calls Paul VI or John Paul II a HERETIC --- BECAUSE HE KNEW THE NECESSARY IMPLICATIONS OF SUCH A STATEMENT.  He knew that it would mean that he would be declaring the pope not to be pope. He knew that there could b no such thing as a truly heretical pope. He called them "liberals," "antichrists," etc. but he never used the "h" word --- unlike you --- because he knew the implications of such a statement.
 
 Perhaps, even more seriously, you DEFINITELY state that a true. Vicar of Jesus Christ, Roman Pontiff who has the plenitude of jurisdiction CAN BE JUDGED BY UNDERLINGS. This is not only wrong but it is heretical. By "judge" I do not just mean that his doctrine can be constantly questions and rejected, but that you say that he can be DEPOSED, removed from office, BY SOME KIND OF GROUP OF BISHOPS OR CARDINALS -- in this you agree with the writers at the Remnant. This is the Conciliarist heresy or a modern variation of it. How can you always pull a Deus ex Machina by saying "Let God decide" and not the individual, when you actually teach the opposite. You say that the POPE CAN AND SHOULD BE JUDGED. AND DEPOSED. This is not God who is deciding but men.
 
 With regard to the practical level, I have a question for you. Why should your flock in the Philippines or elsewhere FOLLOW YOU AT ALL IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY FIND ONLY HERESY AND NON-CATHOLIC MEN CLAIMING TO BE BISHOPS AND PRIESTS OF THE Catholic Church? In fact Father, if these people were NOT guilty of public heresy and apostasy, you would have the moral obligation to tell your flock to go away and return to their orthodox and legitimate pastors. There is not such thing as "brands" of Catholicism, nor is there such thing as "grades" and "degrees" of heresy. They come to you because they see heresy around them and its fruits. Surely you are not just portraying yourself as a "normal Catholic priest" who just happens to be a Frenchman, educated in the United States, who just happens to be building a seminary in the Philippines, contrary to the wishes of Francis, his local modernist bishop, and even the religious fraternity that you were ordained by. You cannot base your mission on the "confusion" of the faithful. Give them a break. I have rarely met a Philippino who was "confused".
 
 As for the 4 Resistance bishops, I would challenge them to state EXACTLY what they hold with regard to the Church, membership in the Church, and the Papacy. Such a clear teaching must be the basis of their actions; if we are only faced with "confusion," how can they justify their ministry? Also, the million dollar question, how can you "excommunicate" those who refuse to recognize Francis as pope and, yet, state you will not submit to the pope or follow him until he conforms to their teaching and traditions. Pure Gallicanism.
 
 Yours, Peter

It's impossible not to notice that the sedevacantist theory failed to unseat anybody. 

@ 3:40 mark, that prophesy is about 2/3 of the all Jєωs around the world getting exterminated as a punishment from God for their wickedness & faithlessness

It might profit to watch the authors other videos to notice the metaphorical meaning to the message.  

It might profit to watch the authors other videos to notice the metaphorical meaning to the message.  

I'm not sure what you're saying but according to the Haydock Catholic Bible's commentary to that verse:

Ver. 8. Third. The greatest part of mankind will be lost. (Haydock) --- The few Jєωs who embrace the faith will be absorbed in the Gentile converts, and suffered to live, though proved by persecutions, while the rest shall be exterminated. Both shall lose their name, and be styled Christians. (Calmet) --- Those who adhere to Judaism, or to paganism, cannot be saved. This is the privilege only of Christian Catholics, who live piously, and are selected by God's grace. (Worthington)
Ver. 9. Fire. The Church was persecuted during the first centuries; but always became more pure, and the blood of martyrs increased her numbers. (Calmet) --- She faithfully adhered to God. (Haydock) --- The Jєωs say this will not take place at last: "but we assert that it is already accomplished." (St. Jerome)
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I, also, read an article about a Rabbi, and he commented about the above verse. He stated the same thing - 2/3 of all Jєωs around the world will be exterminated or 2/3 of "Israel" will be wiped out, and it's a source of discomfort for many Jєωs, but the difference is Jєωs don't believe in the true God - Holy Trinity, so his want for Jєωs to be "faithful" is a "faithfulness" to a false "god".

He talked about the speculation that verse was fulfilled in WWII when the Jєωs were "h0Ɩ0cαųsted", but he still came to the conclusion that "the h0Ɩ0cαųst" wasn't a fulfillment of that verse. The greater punishment is coming for the Jєωs.

I tried to find the article, but to no avail...

Your comparison doesn't work. Sedevacantism fails to produce anything except dissension.  It hasn't removed a single Pope, hasn't produced anything with respect to what it claims and this, after decades, nothing's changed.  The latest offender, Francis, is still a traitor, still doing damage, still in power.  So while sedes pretend Pope(s) lost his/their seat, the rest of good Catholics know we have another rogue Pope who like Peter, denies his God.  

Sounds to me like whatever "group" you belong to, are no different than those who just come out with the words, "We are today without a True Vicar."  Instead of tip-toeing around the words, the Chair is empty as you just did.  
"still in power." The dichotomy!

The New Order mess is heretical, we made that decision when we left for traditional.  Those who call themselves clergy and do this mess, show to the world that they support Lucifer.  We judged what we see, "You shall know them by their fruits." Christ.

We know what Christ said, and he said it for a reason so we could protect ourselves from the enemy.