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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: romantheology on October 27, 2011, 03:24:17 PM
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Fr. Anthony Cekada in communion with Bishop Dolan and CMRI.
Fr. Cekada wrote and Article:
http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/SedesUncuм.pdf
Fr. Cekada states that to pray (or attend the mass) with those that recognize as Head of the Roman Catholic Church (Benedict XVI) in the Canon of the Mass - are Heretics and Outside the Church and Guilty of Mortal Sin.
Oddly, Fr. Cekada is in Communion with the CMRI that state one can receive communion (the Eucharist and Attend Mass) from SSPX or other Traditionalist Independent Priests and Bishops that are in Union with Benedict XVI.
Bishop Mark Pivarunas states SSPX and CMRI are (one Church) both are (Roman Catholic):
http://gloria.tv/?media=208698
How does Fr. Cekada justify this? Would this not make him a Heretic and Outside the Church and in Mortal Sin - being in Communion with CMRI?
Has Fr. Cekada ever (condemned) the CMRI after his docuмent (2007)? Has he Rejected Communion with them and rebuked them?
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So much for False Ecuмenism...lol
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Fr. Cekada wrote and Article:
http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/SedesUncuм.pdf
Fr. Cekada states that to pray (or attend the mass) with those that recognize as Head of the Roman Catholic Church (Benedict XVI) in the Canon of the Mass - are Heretics and Outside the Church and Guilty of Mortal Sin.
Can you directly quote the article, I missed that...
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Grain of Incense by Fr. Cekada.
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I know what the article is titled.
I mean to have asked, can you quote Fr. Cekada from his article where he states what you claim he did.
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My dear friend, read it yourself and draw your own conclusion. It's in there! Sounds like a Commerical....ha....
It's in there!
Can't do all your homework, now do your assignment if you so wish.
In Blessed Pope John Paul II - Blessings!
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My dear friend, read it yourself and draw your own conclusion.
I already did.
Fr. Cekada states that to pray (or attend the mass) with those that recognize as Head of the Roman Catholic Church (Benedict XVI) in the Canon of the Mass - are Heretics and Outside the Church and Guilty of Mortal Sin.
He says it would be a mortal sin for sedevacantist to attend such a mass, that such masses are gravely illicit and objectively schismatic. However, does not state that these priests or anyone in the SSPX is guilty of the canonical crime of schism, nor could he as the chair is vacant. I seriously doubt he believes any are guilty of the sin of schism either, as he never states so, and he certainly doesn't believe anyone of them are heretics because he never claims they deny any dogmas.
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Fr. Cekada states it is mortal sin, illict and schismatical.
With that said, as you read and agreed. How can Fr. Cekada be in Communion (or) allow to be in communion in sacris with Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas and CMRI who as I stated before - states SSPX and CMRI - are one and the same?
Bishop Mark Pivarunas Sermon of Dolan's Consecration:
http://gloria.tv/?media=208698
1. Fr. Cekada says Una cuм Masses are Sinful and acknowledge a Usurped Power of the Papacy and cannot be attended in good faith under (no) circuмstances by Sedevacantists.
2. Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who consecreted? Thucite Bishop[?] Dolan) states SSPX and CMRI are (one and the same).
3. Therefore Fr. Cekada should rebuke and condemn Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who allows) Sedevacantists to attend and receive the Sacraments at SSPX chapels.
Help! lol...lol.....
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Roman, just give the exact quotes from the article of Fr. Cekada. Not everyone is interest in reading through a long article by a sedevacantist to find a quote that you think proves your point.
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Happy? :incense:
Fr. Cekada
Your Participation and Consent. A sedevacantist who
assists at an una cuм Mass cannot credibly maintain
that he “withholds consent” from the odious phrase.
We enumerated at least nine ways in which a
Catholic actively participates at a traditional Mass
when it is celebrated. Each of these constitutes a true
form of active participation, which in turn (according
to the theologians we cited) constitutes “cooperation or
common action with another in the prayers and functions
of worship.”
Various popes and pre-Vatican II theologians,
moreover, taught that the laity who assist actively at
Mass, in so doing, manifest their consent and moral
cooperation with the priest as he offers the sacrifice.
Finally, in this section we demonstrated that Fathers
of the Church, and indeed Pope Pius XII himself
in the Encyclical Mediator Dei, teach specifically that
the faithful who actively assist at Mass ratify, assent to
and participate in the prayers of the Canon that the
priest recites, even though they do not vocally recite
these prayers themselves.
From this it is clear beyond any doubt that the
sedevacantist who actively assists at an una cuм Mass
consents to and morally cooperates with the action of
the priest who proclaims that he offers the sacrifice
together with Thy servant Benedict, our Pope — the archheretic
and false pope Ratzinger.
(III) Why You Should Not Participate. Having established
what the una cuм means and how those present participate
in its use, we then explained why a sedevacantist
who actively participates at an una cuм Mass:
(1) Tells a pernicious lie.
(2) Professes communion with heretics.
(3) Recognizes as legitimate the Ecuмenical, One-
World Church.
(4) Implicitly professes a false religion.
(5) Condones a violation of Church law.
(6) Participates in a sin.
(7) Offers Mass in union with the heretic/false
pope Ratzinger.
(8) Recognizes the usurper of an ecclesiastical office.
(9) Offers an occasion for the sin of scandal
(10) In the case of Masses offered by “resistance”
clergy (SSPX, its affiliates and many independent
clergy) participates in gravely illicit Masses and condones
the sin of schism.
THE ANSWER to our simple question, then, is an equally
simple no — a sedevacantist should not actively participate
in an una cuм Mass.
In light of the teachings of popes, theologians, canonists,
moralists, and liturgists on the issues we have
examined, the foregoing conclusion, in my opinion, is
the only one possible.
The issue of how, in the absence of regular access
to the Mass, sedevacantists can best maintain their
faith, religious practice and spiritual lives will be the
topic of another article. The task is not impossible.
Naturally, faithful Catholics dearly love the Mass
and cherish it as the principal means by which God
will lead them to holiness. But the Holy Sacrifice will
never bear fruit for us if we purchase it at the price of
truth, faith, and holiness itself — at the price of a grain
of incense offered to a heretic, a false pope and his false
religion. For as Father Faber warned:
“The crowning disloyalty to God is heresy. It is the
sin of sins, the very loathsomest of things which
God looks down upon in this malignant world. Yet
how little do we understand of its excessive hatefulness!…
“We look at it, and are calm. We touch it and do not
shudder. We mix with it, and have no fear. We see
it touch holy things, and we have no sense of sacrilege…
“Our charity is untruthful because it is not severe;
and it is unpersuasive, because it is not truthful…
Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness.”
91
November 2007
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Can anyone tell me if there has been any SSPXer denied holy communion by Fr. Cekada by the very fact of being in the SSPX? There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cuм mass.
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There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cuм mass.
What about CMRI aka Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas? He Says ok for Sedevacantists to go to Masses of Una cuм Priests aka SSPX - hey - they are One and the Same Church - Roman Cahtolic:
http://gloria.tv/?media=208698
Why does Fr. Cekada (not) condemn or rebuke him?????????????????????????
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There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cuм mass.
What about CMRI aka Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas? He Says ok for Sedevacantists to go to Masses of Una cuм Priests aka SSPX - hey - they are One and the Same Church - Roman Cahtolic:
http://gloria.tv/?media=208698
Why does Fr. Cekada (not) condemn or rebuke him?????????????????????????
He can't bind consciences. He can only argue his points.
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Fr. Cekada states it is mortal sin, illict and schismatical.
With that said, as you read and agreed. How can Fr. Cekada be in Communion (or) allow to be in communion in sacris with Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas and CMRI who as I stated before - states SSPX and CMRI - are one and the same?
Bishop Mark Pivarunas Sermon of Dolan's Consecration:
http://gloria.tv/?media=208698
1. Fr. Cekada says Una cuм Masses are Sinful and acknowledge a Usurped Power of the Papacy and cannot be attended in good faith under (no) circuмstances by Sedevacantists.
2. Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who consecreted? Thucite Bishop[?] Dolan) states SSPX and CMRI are (one and the same).
3. Therefore Fr. Cekada should rebuke and condemn Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who allows) Sedevacantists to attend and receive the Sacraments at SSPX chapels.
Help! lol...lol.....
People here might take your requests for help more seriously if they were not followed by laughter.
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Can anyone tell me if there has been any SSPXer denied holy communion by Fr. Cekada by the very fact of being in the SSPX? There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cuм mass.
Fr. Cekada is very inconsistent in this area. You'll have to ask him why. He doesn't say anything to some sedevacantists who attend "una-cuм" Masses.