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Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
« on: October 27, 2011, 03:24:17 PM »
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  • Fr. Anthony Cekada in communion with Bishop Dolan and CMRI.

    Fr. Cekada wrote and Article:

     http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/SedesUnCum.pdf


      Fr. Cekada states that to pray (or attend the mass) with those that recognize as Head of the Roman Catholic Church (Benedict XVI) in the Canon of the Mass - are Heretics and Outside the Church and Guilty of Mortal Sin.

      Oddly, Fr. Cekada is in Communion with the CMRI that state one can receive communion (the Eucharist and Attend Mass) from SSPX or other Traditionalist Independent Priests and Bishops that are in Union with Benedict XVI.

      Bishop Mark Pivarunas states SSPX and CMRI are (one Church) both are (Roman Catholic):

      http://gloria.tv/?media=208698

      How does Fr. Cekada justify this? Would this not make him a Heretic and Outside the Church and in Mortal Sin - being in Communion with CMRI?

      Has Fr. Cekada ever (condemned) the CMRI after his document (2007)?  Has he Rejected Communion with them and rebuked them?

     

     

     

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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 04:05:26 PM »
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  • So much for False Ecumenism...lol


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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 04:11:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: romantheology
    Fr. Cekada wrote and Article:

     http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/SedesUnCum.pdf


      Fr. Cekada states that to pray (or attend the mass) with those that recognize as Head of the Roman Catholic Church (Benedict XVI) in the Canon of the Mass - are Heretics and Outside the Church and Guilty of Mortal Sin.


    Can you directly quote the article, I missed that...
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 06:33:40 PM »
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  • Grain of Incense by Fr. Cekada.

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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 06:39:58 PM »
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  • I know what the article is titled.

    I mean to have asked, can you quote Fr. Cekada from his article where he states what you claim he did.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 06:42:08 PM »
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  • My dear friend, read it yourself and draw your own conclusion. It's in there! Sounds like a Commerical....ha....


      It's in there!

      Can't do all your homework, now do your assignment if you so wish.

      In Blessed Pope John Paul II - Blessings!

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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 07:16:54 PM »
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    My dear friend, read it yourself and draw your own conclusion.


    I already did.

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    Fr. Cekada states that to pray (or attend the mass) with those that recognize as Head of the Roman Catholic Church (Benedict XVI) in the Canon of the Mass - are Heretics and Outside the Church and Guilty of Mortal Sin.


    He says it would be a mortal sin for sedevacantist to attend such a mass, that such masses are gravely illicit and objectively schismatic. However, does not state that these priests or anyone in the SSPX is guilty of the canonical crime of schism, nor could he as the chair is vacant. I seriously doubt he believes any are guilty of the sin of schism either, as he never states so, and he certainly doesn't believe anyone of them are heretics because he never claims they deny any dogmas.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #7 on: October 27, 2011, 07:53:26 PM »
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  • Fr. Cekada states it is mortal sin, illict and schismatical.

    With that said, as you read and agreed. How can Fr. Cekada be in Communion (or) allow to be in communion in sacris with Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas and CMRI who as I stated before - states SSPX and CMRI - are one and the same?

    Bishop Mark Pivarunas Sermon of Dolan's Consecration:

    http://gloria.tv/?media=208698

    1. Fr. Cekada says Una Cum Masses are Sinful and acknowledge a Usurped Power of the Papacy and cannot be attended in good faith under (no) circumstances by Sedevacantists.

    2. Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who consecreted? Thucite Bishop[?] Dolan) states SSPX and CMRI are (one and the same).

    3. Therefore Fr. Cekada should rebuke and condemn Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who allows) Sedevacantists to attend and receive the Sacraments at SSPX chapels.


    Help! lol...lol.....


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    Fr. Cekada Una Cum CMRI SSPX - In Communion???
    « Reply #8 on: October 27, 2011, 08:05:17 PM »
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  • Roman, just give the exact quotes from the article of Fr. Cekada. Not everyone is interest in reading through a long article by a sedevacantist to find a quote that you think proves your point.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 08:39:58 PM »
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  • Happy?   :incense:


    Fr. Cekada

    Your Participation and Consent. A sedevacantist who
    assists at an una cum Mass cannot credibly maintain
    that he “withholds consent” from the odious phrase.
    We enumerated at least nine ways in which a
    Catholic actively participates at a traditional Mass
    when it is celebrated. Each of these constitutes a true
    form of active participation, which in turn (according
    to the theologians we cited) constitutes “cooperation or
    common action with another in the prayers and functions
    of worship.”
    Various popes and pre-Vatican II theologians,
    moreover, taught that the laity who assist actively at
    Mass, in so doing, manifest their consent and moral
    cooperation with the priest as he offers the sacrifice.
    Finally, in this section we demonstrated that Fathers
    of the Church, and indeed Pope Pius XII himself
    in the Encyclical Mediator Dei, teach specifically that
    the faithful who actively assist at Mass ratify, assent to
    and participate in the prayers of the Canon that the
    priest recites, even though they do not vocally recite
    these prayers themselves.
    From this it is clear beyond any doubt that the
    sedevacantist who actively assists at an una cum Mass
    consents to and morally cooperates with the action of
    the priest who proclaims that he offers the sacrifice
    together with Thy servant Benedict, our Pope — the archheretic
    and false pope Ratzinger.
    (III) Why You Should Not Participate. Having established
    what the una cum means and how those present participate
    in its use, we then explained why a sedevacantist
    who actively participates at an una cum Mass:
    (1) Tells a pernicious lie.
    (2) Professes communion with heretics.
    (3) Recognizes as legitimate the Ecumenical, One-
    World Church.
    (4) Implicitly professes a false religion.
    (5) Condones a violation of Church law.
    (6) Participates in a sin.
    (7) Offers Mass in union with the heretic/false
    pope Ratzinger.
    (8) Recognizes the usurper of an ecclesiastical office.
    (9) Offers an occasion for the sin of scandal
    (10) In the case of Masses offered by “resistance”
    clergy (SSPX, its affiliates and many independent
    clergy) participates in gravely illicit Masses and condones
    the sin of schism.
    THE ANSWER to our simple question, then, is an equally
    simple no — a sedevacantist should not actively participate
    in an una cum Mass.
    In light of the teachings of popes, theologians, canonists,
    moralists, and liturgists on the issues we have
    examined, the foregoing conclusion, in my opinion, is
    the only one possible.
    The issue of how, in the absence of regular access
    to the Mass, sedevacantists can best maintain their
    faith, religious practice and spiritual lives will be the
    topic of another article. The task is not impossible.
    Naturally, faithful Catholics dearly love the Mass
    and cherish it as the principal means by which God
    will lead them to holiness. But the Holy Sacrifice will
    never bear fruit for us if we purchase it at the price of
    truth, faith, and holiness itself — at the price of a grain
    of incense offered to a heretic, a false pope and his false
    religion. For as Father Faber warned:
    “The crowning disloyalty to God is heresy. It is the
    sin of sins, the very loathsomest of things which
    God looks down upon in this malignant world. Yet
    how little do we understand of its excessive hatefulness!…
    “We look at it, and are calm. We touch it and do not
    shudder. We mix with it, and have no fear. We see
    it touch holy things, and we have no sense of sacrilege…
    “Our charity is untruthful because it is not severe;
    and it is unpersuasive, because it is not truthful…
    Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness.”
    91
    November 2007

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    « Reply #10 on: October 27, 2011, 09:00:30 PM »
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  • Can anyone tell me if there has been any SSPXer denied holy communion by Fr. Cekada by the very fact of being in the SSPX? There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cum mass.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 27, 2011, 09:13:25 PM »
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    There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cum mass.


    What about CMRI aka Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas? He Says ok for Sedevacantists to go to Masses of Una Cum Priests aka SSPX - hey - they are One and the Same Church - Roman Cahtolic:

    http://gloria.tv/?media=208698

    Why does Fr. Cekada (not) condemn or rebuke him?????????????????????????

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    « Reply #12 on: October 27, 2011, 09:16:19 PM »
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    There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cum mass.


    What about CMRI aka Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas? He Says ok for Sedevacantists to go to Masses of Una Cum Priests aka SSPX - hey - they are One and the Same Church - Roman Cahtolic:

    http://gloria.tv/?media=208698

    Why does Fr. Cekada (not) condemn or rebuke him?????????????????????????


    He can't bind consciences. He can only argue his points.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 27, 2011, 10:10:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: romantheology
    Fr. Cekada states it is mortal sin, illict and schismatical.

    With that said, as you read and agreed. How can Fr. Cekada be in Communion (or) allow to be in communion in sacris with Bishop(?) Mark Pivarunas and CMRI who as I stated before - states SSPX and CMRI - are one and the same?

    Bishop Mark Pivarunas Sermon of Dolan's Consecration:

    http://gloria.tv/?media=208698

    1. Fr. Cekada says Una Cum Masses are Sinful and acknowledge a Usurped Power of the Papacy and cannot be attended in good faith under (no) circumstances by Sedevacantists.

    2. Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who consecreted? Thucite Bishop[?] Dolan) states SSPX and CMRI are (one and the same).

    3. Therefore Fr. Cekada should rebuke and condemn Bishop Mark Pivarunas (who allows) Sedevacantists to attend and receive the Sacraments at SSPX chapels.


    Help! lol...lol.....


    People here might take your requests for help more seriously if they were not followed by laughter.
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    « Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 08:58:53 PM »
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    Can anyone tell me if there has been any SSPXer denied holy communion by Fr. Cekada by the very fact of being in the SSPX? There's no question he would deny a sedevacantist for attending SSPX masses or any una cum mass.


    Fr. Cekada is very inconsistent in this area. You'll have to ask him why. He doesn't say anything to some sedevacantists who attend "una-cum" Masses.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


     

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