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http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/baltimore-pastor-speaks-his-mind-homily-same-sex-marriage

Baltimore pastor speaks his mind in homily on same-sex marriage

Arthur Jones | Oct. 29, 2012

In Baltimore's St. Vincent de Paul church, Fr. Richard T. Lawrence read a nuanced letter from Baltimore Archbishop William E. Lori at all the weekend's Masses. It concluded: "Each one of us -- as Catholics and faithful citizens -- must show up on election day and do our part by voting against Question 6," the Civil Marriage Protection Act.

"The archbishop's thoughts on this question are powerful, and will be persuasive in conscience to many" and should be read and prayed over by all, said Lawrence, who has been St. Vincent's pastor for 39 years.

He then stated his own homiletic thoughts:

I cannot tell you how any of this will come out, but I will tell you that I stand in genuine awe of all those parents, native-born, naturalized, docuмented and undocuмented, who strive with every fiber of their being to ensure that their children have more opportunities than they had.

And I will continue to stand in genuine awe of all those couples -- straight, gαy and lesbian -- whose day-to-day, year-to-year, and decade-to-decade faithfulness to each other is to me a sacrament, a believable embodied sign, of the absolute faithfulness of God to us all.

Lori's letter to all parishes said the approaching election placed in the voters' hands "the momentous choice of whether to maintain marriage as the union of one man and one woman in Maryland, or to irrevocably dismantle our state's legal recognition of the most basic unit of our society -- the family unit of mother, father and child.

"Maryland has long provided to domestic partners many of the same protections married couples receive," the letter states. "These include medical decision-making and hospital visitation rights; exemption from inheritance and real estate tax laws, and government health benefits, to name just a few. Recognizing this fact, do not be fooled in thinking it is necessary to redefine marriage for all of society simply to provide other couples [with] benefits.

"Redefining marriage is not only unnecessary ... We cannot underestimate the long-term consequences that redefining marriage would have on children, on the family, and on the religious freedoms of individuals and institutions who continue to hold fast to our deeply held beliefs about marriage," the letter continues.

Lawrence then said in his homily that religious and civil law are separate and that "evil" civil law, like segregation, should be resisted in conscience while other civil laws, like taxes, can be complied with in conscience "even when we disagree with them."

"Even some marriage laws fall into this category," he said. "While the federal courts respect the rights of churches not to hire anyone for a ministerial position whose marriage does not comply with the laws of that church, we do hire and pay spousal benefits, such as medical insurance, for employees whose marriages are not valid in the eyes of church law.

"It seems to me, therefore," Lawrence continued, "that even if we do not believe that gαy marriage ever could or should be allowed in the church, we could live with a provision that allows civil marriage of gαy and lesbian couples. Personally, however, I would go farther than that."

Turning to decisions at Vatican II (1962-65), Lawrence said an eventual change in church teaching was possible, "and we could come to recognize the total, exclusive and permanent union of gαy and lesbian couples as part of the sacrament of matrimony."

Lawrence cited Genesis 1:18, in which God said, "It is not good for man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him."

The church has always "been willing to marry couples in the church even though their ages suggest strongly that the procreation and education of children is no longer a possibility," Lawrence said.

"Could we not then say that their devotion to and support of each other ... could be recognized by the church as a valid sacrament of God's unrelenting faithfulness to us just as much as the union of an elderly straight couple?" he asked. "Neither will procreate children, but both can be sacraments of God's faithfulness in the living out of their commitment to each other."

Lawrence stressed such was not the teaching of the church, but said, "I personally believe that this is a possible line of future development in theology and perhaps eventually even in church teaching. And if this is even a possibility, could we not judge that civil marriage for gαy and lesbian couples ought to be allowed by the state at this time?"

The pastor said if Question 6 passes, he will not perform gαy or lesbian weddings at St. Vincent's or anywhere else, just as he did not officiate at the second wedding of his niece, whose first marriage was not annulled.

"I attended as a sign of my love and support for her, but I could not perform the ceremony," he said. "In the same way, I have attended, and will continue to attend, the weddings of gαy and lesbian persons whom I love and support, but I cannot perform the ceremony.

"But could not civil law be allowed to progress where church law cannot go, at least not yet? Personally, I believe that it can and that it should," he said. "So there you have it: the official teaching of the church and my personal reflections."

The St. Vincent parishioners gave Lawrence a standing ovation.

[Arthur Jones is NCR books editor. His email address is arthurjones@comcast.net.]


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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 07:44:53 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 07:56:20 PM »
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  • To show just how bad the NO is getting. A Catholic pastor can speak in favor of gαy marriage in a sermon and get a standing O! Yet this fool is still in "full communion."

    I thought there would be some outrage. However, it looks like Cath Info is locked in on Sede v. Society or else Society-SO vs. SSPX. Too busy beating each other up to notice the real enemy...

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    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 07:57:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    To show just how bad the NO is getting. A Catholic pastor can speak in favor of gαy marriage in a sermon and get a standing O! Yet this fool is still in "full communion."

    I thought there would be some outrage. However, it looks like Cath Info is locked in on Sede v. Society or else Society-SO vs. SSPX. Too busy beating each other up to notice the real enemy...


    Eh Stevus, do you realize where the people who go to SSPX chapel are going to be in 20 years if this process that has started continues on its current course?

    The incipient signs of a liberalization process that will eventually lead to a doctrinal collapse are already there.

    The loud (but ineffective) opposition to abortion (because it doesn't target the criminals - it's just hand-wringing) and pervert "marriage" in the mainstream is a way to cover up much more serious problems that undermine the whole foundation of traditionalism in a very serious way.


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    « Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 08:02:58 PM »
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  • I understand there is concern to keep the Society on the straight and narrow.

    However, to my knowledge there is no deal!

    Therefore, until there is a deal or Bishop Fellay starts hosting World Youth Days, I don't quite understand the complete obsession with Trads nuking each other while Fr. Teilhard preaches on gαy marriage and the Church goes to Hell in a hand basket. Who is left to fight the Neo-Caths and libs who number FAR MORE than all Trads put together?


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    « Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 08:10:32 PM »
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    I understand there is concern to keep the Society on the straight and narrow.

    However, to my knowledge there is no deal!

    Therefore, until there is a deal or Bishop Fellay starts hosting World Youth Days, I don't quite understand the complete obsession with Trads nuking each other while Fr. Teilhard preaches on gαy marriage and the Church goes to Hell in a hand basket. Who is left to fight the Neo-Caths and libs who number FAR MORE than all Trads put together?


    There are people who would have said the same thing in the 60s Stevus.

    Look at FE Stevus.  Now imagine that process happening among traditional Catholics because authentic traditionalists are silenced, moved, threatened, kicked out, etc.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 08:13:33 PM »
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  • It really is analogous to the situation with Vox and Quis.

    You have a huge scandal, and a gradual shift in policy, and they're connected, and you have a confused younger generation that's easy to manipulate.

    And then you kick out all the old people stand by the principles they started with.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 08:24:18 PM »
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  • Vox and Quis ran a silly website.

    I think Trads are getting swept away by emotion and took Satan's bait to start a cινιℓ ωαr. The devil is redirecting all of the righteous anger towards each other and not where it should be.

    It's the old biblical maxim. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The Neo-Caths retain their entrenched power and keep their liberal lap dogs in line with "full communion" and freedom to do their evil.

    Meanwhile they now get to see the Trads self-destruct before their eyes. They must be laughing for joy at this sight. They couldn't do to Trads in 50 years what Trads are now doing to themselves in 3 years after the discussions.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 08:33:31 PM »
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    Vox and Quis ran a silly website.


    It's the same social dynamic at work.  Believe it.

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    I think Trads are getting swept away by emotion and took Satan's bait to start a cινιℓ ωαr. The devil is redirecting all of the righteous anger towards each other and not where it should be.


    No Stevus, Bishop Fellay has started waffling on Vatican II and he's wrecking the society by creating a cult-like atmosphere.

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    It's the old biblical maxim. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The Neo-Caths retain their entrenched power and keep their liberal lap dogs in line with "full communion" and freedom to do their evil.

    Meanwhile they now get to see the Trads self-destruct before their eyes. They must be laughing for joy at this sight. They couldn't do to Trads in 50 years what Trads are now doing to themselves in 3 years after the discussions.


    You can blame Bishop Fellay and his arrogant minions, especially the French, for that.

    You don't throw your own to the wolves.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 09:36:55 PM »
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    http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/baltimore-pastor-speaks-his-mind-homily-same-sex-marriage

    ... And I will continue to stand in genuine awe of all those couples -- straight, gαy and lesbian --

    "... we could live with a provision that allows civil marriage of gαy and lesbian couples. Personally, however, I would go farther than that."

    ...Lawrence said an eventual change in church teaching was possible, "and we could come to recognize the total, exclusive and permanent union of gαy and lesbian couples as part of the sacrament of matrimony."

    ..."I personally believe that this is a possible line of future development in theology and perhaps eventually even in church teaching.

    ... "In the same way, I have attended, and will continue to attend, the weddings of gαy and lesbian persons whom I love and support, but I cannot perform the ceremony.

    The St. Vincent parishioners gave Lawrence a standing ovation.


    I wonder if "Fr. Lawrence" ever reads the Passion, did Christ die a tortuous death for this??????

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    « Reply #10 on: November 04, 2012, 10:39:28 PM »
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  • Yikes. pretty soon it might be illegal to practice our Catholic Faith.  Already there are Novus Ordo workbooks  on welcoming gαy and lesbians to the table.  

    If I criticize it I might be charged with hate crime some day.

    Germany...Look at what they did to Bishop Williamson for his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    And is it true that Bishop Lefebvre was charged 5,000 francs by a French court for his opposition to muslim immigration?  And said "it is your wives, your daughters, your children who will be kidnapped and dragged off to the kind of places as they exist  casablanca."" soemthing like that.

    Already in France they are closing down Catholic Churches and using them for restaurants..

    We need to be Roman Catholic.
    May God bless you and keep you