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Offline poche

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« on: December 07, 2016, 11:45:26 PM »
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  • The Vatican has confirmed that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men should not be ordained to the priesthood.




    In a new instruction for the training of seminarians, entitled The Gift of the Priestly Vocation, the Congregation for the Clergy says that the Church “cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, present deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, or support the so-called ‘gαy culture.’“

    The new Vatican docuмent quotes the policy set forth in a 2005 statement from the Congregation for Catholic Education: “If a candidate practices ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity or presents deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, his spiritual director as well as his confessor have the duty to dissuade him in conscience from proceeding towards ordination.” That 2005 directive has been widely ignored in many dioceses, with seminary directors claiming that the caution applies only to openly practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.

    The clear confirmation that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should not be ordained to the priesthood comes in a sweeping docuмent that sets new standards for the training of priests throughout the world. In releasing the docuмent, which carried the approval of Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Clergy explains that the last directive governing priestly formation was released in 1970 (and later amended in 1985), and more recent papal teachings called for a new set of standards. This new docuмent constitutes a model for priestly formation—a Ratio Fundamentalis Institutionis Sacerdotalis—and the Congregation for the Clergy instructs the episcopal conference of each country to prepare its own new local standards based on this Ratio Fundamentalis.

    The Vatican guidelines emphasize the need for thorough intellectual training for seminarians, and also a strong spiritual formation. The docuмent stresses the importance of training young men to dedicate themselves to Christ and the Church. “Priestly ordination requires, in the one who receives it, a complete giving of himself for the service of the People of God, as an image of Christ the spouse,” the docuмent says.

    The docuмent also says that priests should be trained to guard against “clericalism” and against the temptation to seek popularity; they should be warned not to “think about the Church as a merely human institution.”

    In an interview posted by the Congregation for the Clergy along The Gift of the Priestly Vocation, Cardinal Benjamin Stella, the prefect of the Congregation, called particular attention to the docuмent’s focus on the character of candidates for the priesthood. Cardinal Stella observed that “one cannot be a priest without balance of mind and heart and without affective maturity, and every unresolved lacuna or problem in this area risks becoming gravely harmful, both for the person as well as for the People of God.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30139


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    « Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 01:51:45 AM »
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  • The conciliar church has always had the same policy, yet, say in the Archdiocese of Miami, it is estimated that 50% of the priests are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    I hope that no one here is naive enough to think that new docuмent will change anything.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    « Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 04:09:10 AM »
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  • I remember when the new priests were coming into the Detroit area Churches after V2 how people used to think that they all acted so differently, their persona was like pansies, they were so feminine in speech and gesture. At that time very few would have even thought to suspect they were queers, let alone that such a vast number of priests being unleashed were sodomites.

    Fr. John O'Connor said in the early 1950s the seminaries were already infiltrated with the sodomites - but for how long before even then?  
    - 4 minutes long.  

    So yes LT, it's the same thing - say one thing but do another..... "The Vatican has confirmed that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men should not be ordained to the priesthood" as they invite the queers into the seminaries as a rule.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 11:15:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Last Tradhican
    The conciliar church has always had the same policy, yet, say in the Archdiocese of Miami, it is estimated that 50% of the priests are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    I hope that no one here is naive enough to think that new docuмent will change anything.


    The issue then is not what Pope Francis says it is that there are officials who are not obedient to him.  

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    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2016, 12:01:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche (Dec 16, 2016, 12:15 am)
    The issue then is not what Pope Francis says[,] it is that there are officials who are not obedient to him

    Catholic officials "in communion with Rome" have no practical reason to be "obedient" to the pope, not even those modernist popes who were less questionable
    • than "Francis" Bergoglio.  That's because Novus Ordo bishops erring on Catholic dogma, morals, or other practice have learned that they need not expect punishment--never mind fear of God or fear of the nominal "vicar of Christ" for getting out of line, whether publicly, or behind closed diocesan-office doors, or in their personal lives.  Isn't freedom from Rome what the Vatican-II concept of "collegiality" was really about?

      Except for those Novus Ordo bishops who are "obedient" to at least some traditions of the Catholic Faith: They shouldn't be at all surprised when they get purged from influential positions in the Vatican or curia.

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      Note #: "questionable" as perhaps limited for discussion to the certainty of valid priestly and episcopal orders (although one shouldn't dismiss the importance of coronation with the papal tiara), i.e.:
      · (Never crowned) "Francis" Bergoglio: ordained 13 Dec 1969; consecrated installed 27 Jun 1992.
      · (Never crowned) Fr. "Benedict XVI" Ratzinger: ordained 29 Jun 1951; consecrated installed 28 May 1977.
      · (Never crowned) Pope John Paul II (K.J. Wojtyła): ordained 1 Nov 1946; consecrated 1 Nov 1946.
      · (Never crowned) Pope John Paul I (A. Luciani): ordained 7 Jul 1935; consecrated 27 Dec 1958.
      · Pope Paul VI (G.B.E.A.M. Montini): ordained 29 May 1920; consecrated 12 Dec 1954.

      The key docuмent for the list immediately above is the Apostolic Constitution Pontificalis Romani recognitio, by Paul VI on 18 June 1968, which by decree of the Novus Ordo Sacred Congregation of Rites (dated 15 August 1968), became the infamous-but-mandatory "New Ordinal" effective on 6 April 1969 (Easter Sunday).