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    Offline sedetrad

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    Fruits of Novus Ordo? Torture by Catholic Church in Ireland?
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 10:38:27 AM »
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  • Much of this torture and abuse occured prior to the Novus and during The good ole "TRAD" Cath days of the 30's, 40's and 50's and cannot be laid at the feet of the novus ordo.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 10:56:09 AM »
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  • Don't forget, by 1950, Bella Dodd said that the communists were in the highest positions in the vatican.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/804825/posts

    They were already being put in there in the 1930's, and Pope Saint Pius X in Pascendi said this:

    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.html

    "That We make no delay in this matter is rendered necessary especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church's open enemies; they lie hid, a thing to be deeply deplored and feared, in her very bosom and heart, and are the more mischievous, the less conspicuously they appear. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, nay, and this is far more lamentable, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, feigning a love for the Church, lacking the firm protection of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, vaunt themselves as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious daring, they reduce to a simple, mere man.

    For as We have said, they put their designs for her ruin into operation not from without but from within; hence, the danger is present almost in the very veins and heart of the Church, whose injury is the more certain, the more intimate is their knowledge of her. Moreover they lay the axe not to the branches and shoots, but to the very root, that is, to the faith and its deepest fires. And having struck at this root of immortality, they proceed to disseminate poison through the whole tree, so that there is no part of Catholic truth from which they hold their hand, none that they do not strive to corrupt. Further, none is more skilful, none more astute than they, in the employment of a thousand noxious arts; for they double the parts of rationalist and Catholic, and this so craftily that they easily lead the unwary into error; and since audacity is their chief characteristic, there is no conclusion of any kind from which they shrink or which they do not thrust forward with pertinacity and assurance. To this must be added the fact, which indeed is well calculated to deceive souls, that they lead a life of the greatest activity, of assiduous and ardent application to every branch of learning, and that they possess, as a rule, a reputation for the strictest morality. Finally, and this almost destroys all hope of cure, their very doctrines have given such a bent to their minds, that they disdain all authority and brook no restraint; and relying upon a false conscience, they attempt to ascribe to a love of truth that which is in reality the result of pride and obstinacy.

    Once indeed We had hopes of recalling them to a better sense, and to this end we first of all showed them kindness as Our children, then we treated them with severity, and at last We have had recourse, though with great reluctance, to public reproof. But you know, Venerable Brethren, how fruitless has been Our action. They bowed their head for a moment, but it was soon uplifted more arrogantly than ever. If it were a matter which concerned them alone, We might perhaps have overlooked it: but the security of the Catholic name is at stake. Wherefore, as to maintain it longer would be a crime, We must now break silence, in order to expose before the whole Church in their true colours those men who have assumed this bad disguise.

    He put this so well, there shouldn't be any question who those filthy people that did this, were. Certainly the ones Pope Saint Pius X talks about.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Fruits of Novus Ordo? Torture by Catholic Church in Ireland?
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 11:48:40 AM »
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  • While I don't doubt abuse occurred, and that any "reform school" is the sort of place that brings out cruelty, and allows cruel people to hide behind religious garb, this story is mainly about vilifying the Church, not about preventing abuses.  These abuses happened a long time ago, by people who are probably embellishing if not inventing their stories:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-490977/Lies-Little-Miss-Misery--memoir-abused-girl-fake-says-new-investigation.html

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    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 11:54:51 AM »
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  •   Another fruit of the reign of the Infallibles.  Layman are discouraged from speaking out against any Church evils.  So they protected the Irish Church reputation for a few years, but now the Church there is nearly destroyed.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 11:55:06 AM »
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  • That is the same type of attitude that allows abuse like this to continue. I do not doubt that it was very widespread. When good people do nothing and stick their head in the sand, evil reigns and flourishes.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 11:56:14 AM »
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  • Classicom, the abuse has nothing to do with papal infallibility.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 12:12:30 PM »
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  • Are you a protestant Classicom?


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    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 12:15:58 PM »
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  •   They wield authority in the Church like they all carry an infallible baseball bat.  Bad example from the top that continues till today.  It is a crime against Christ to extinguish the spirit of truth of the layman. The hierarchy has lost just about all credibility.

        The good news is that most of their foolishness is out in the open now. Time for the layman to reclaim the Church in the name of Christ.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 12:21:44 PM »
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  • He's not Catholic.



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    « Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 12:22:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheD
    Are you a protestant Classicom?

    Definitely yes!


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    « Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 12:23:51 PM »
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     They wield authority in the Church like they all carry an infallible baseball bat.  Bad example from the top that continues till today.  It is a crime against Christ to extinguish the spirit of truth of the layman. The hierarchy has lost just about all credibility.

        The good news is that most of their foolishness is out in the open now. Time for the layman to reclaim the Church in the name of Christ.

    Have you been reading something by Martin Luther?

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    « Reply #12 on: May 22, 2009, 12:13:14 PM »
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  •    I guess I am just a Catholic in my own limbo.  I really liked the SSPX, but they have their problems too. If the Church does not feel comfortable with Bishop Richardson, then I don't belong in the current brick and mortar Church.

     So there you go, I am a homeless orphan, spurned by all.  My heart belongs to a Church that has not been around for a long time.

       I still think a layman's church is a good idea. A layman can't tinker with doctriine, but would have to use tradition handed down.

    I was going to ask you what you think but I forgot. Catholics are trained not to think, that anything original is evil.  But here is something I hope some one with more guts than me would try out.

    Quick Formula for a Catholic Layman's  Chapel  -

      Come up with a cute name - eg  Remnant Catholic , and hope that people will make fun of you by calling you rogue Catholics as opposed to Roman Catholics.

    Have a weekly Sunday afternoon Catholic get together and have  live Latin Mass broadcast  played in your home or Chapel-  something like Fr. Gomer DePauw

    http://www.latinmass-ctm.org/ an

       Then you can have some prayers and then ask if there are any special needs for those present .

       So there you go.  You are not breaking any Church laws. You are trying to honor Jesus Christ in the best way you know how. You are sending a strong message that you are tired of being made to feel like a criminal in today's Novus Ordo.

       You can't tell people this takes the place of a real mass. But it would be cool to offer this service to all the Novus Ordo people who miss mass.

         This would drive the Novus Ordo  N U T S ! . I would have a humongous size picture honoring Bishop Williamson, and other Catholics heroes who fought the good fight.  By the way, I would like to see a picture of ChantCD.

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    p.s. - We should be doing a lot more on the internet -

              Put these prayer meeting on blog talk radio. etc. . Get a network and have regular contributions (eg sermons ) from around the country, or even global.

               Get a web site and post MP3s , Pictures , Catechisms etc.

               Try to keep everything positive . Don't let the bastards drag you down.


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    « Reply #13 on: May 24, 2009, 10:44:14 AM »
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  • HMiS provided a nice refutation of much of these findings over at Fisheaters: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3421217.msg33076806.html#msg33076806

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    « Reply #14 on: May 24, 2009, 01:13:41 PM »
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  • Classicomm is a self-admitted heretic who denies the Vatican Council definition of Infallibility-- which consists of excerpts from the Gospels of St's John and Matthew that establish the Primacy of St Peter.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'