Author Topic: For all sedevacantists and conclavists (Read 5067 times)

Kephapaulos · « **on:** June 24, 2009, 08:20:32 PM »

So what would you argue are the good fruits produced by your sedevacantist or conclavist group or position?

trent13 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:38:13 PM »

I consider that a stupid question - if i asked you what the good fruits produced by the SSPX are I would equally consider that a stupid question for the same reasons - I am so sick of people on their self-righteous high horses - on both sides!

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #2 on:** June 26, 2009, 01:53:30 PM »

We have to live in reality. Beliefs do not just stay in people's minds. They grow to some degree and produce fruits.

Caminus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 26, 2009, 02:28:09 PM »

Any opinion that theoretically forces one to separate oneself from other traditional catholics is an evil fruit of said opinion. When this opinion leads to condemnation of other traditional catholics or causes one to view other traditional catholics with suspicion and/or contempt, it is another evil fruit. Any opinion that causes one to remain away from the sacraments, all else being equal, is yet another evil fruit. This opinion, when adhered to with pertinacity is involved with many injustices. It turns our understanding of what constitutes communion on its head by essentially adding what is extraneous to the content of divine faith. All matters are judged in light of this opinion, it becomes the operative norm while creating a set of entirely new (fabricated) problems, e.g. what do we do with the 1962 missal, the saints, Fatima, etc.

It is a most pernicious error when dogmatized. When it is not dogmatized, the tension is too great for the mind thereby resulting in either abandonment or militancy.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #4 on:** June 26, 2009, 06:04:01 PM »

We are likely approaching the end of the world. The only good fruit now is converting others to the Catholic Faith and holding the faith pure and undefiled.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2009, 06:47:03 PM »

Kephapaulos, OT, but I had a look at your YouTube. I LOVE it, need to see more of these musicians.

I can't really answer your question, except I think it is wrong to enforce SV as dogma, and expell parishoners who attend masses una cuм.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2009, 07:29:17 PM »

No Catholic ( and by Catholic I mean "sedevacantist" ) that I know of expels those who go to una cuм masses. At CMRI you can come straight from a Novus Ordo mass if you so choose.

It's rare that anyone who wanders into an SV chapel, however, isn't already tending in the direction of sedevacantism. And those who are "una cuм" tend to drift back to SSPX.

God sifts in His own way.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2009, 11:11:10 PM »

There most certainly are priests who expell those who go to an "una cuм" mass, and preach from the pulpit that doing so is a "grave sin.

And Raoul, you really cannot mean to imply that only SVs are Catholic, can you?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2009, 03:41:17 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

So what would you argue are the good fruits produced by your sedevacantist or conclavist group or position?

What would you say is the good fruit of your own "position", or of the V2 Church, BXVI, etc.?

What is the good fruit from any corner of the earth in this present, dark era (beyond a good man here or there, and a few people coming to/keeping the Faith)?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2009, 03:46:01 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

Any opinion that theoretically forces one to separate oneself from other traditional catholics is an evil fruit of said opinion. When this opinion leads to condemnation of other traditional catholics or causes one to view other traditional catholics with suspicion and/or contempt, it is another evil fruit.

This is exactly what the SSPX et alii (and, in the final analysis, ALL trads of whatever stripe) do with regard to the Novus, and rightly so. So...?

Caminus · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2009, 01:23:52 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Quote from: Caminus
Any opinion that theoretically forces one to separate oneself from other traditional catholics is an evil fruit of said opinion. When this opinion leads to condemnation of other traditional catholics or causes one to view other traditional catholics with suspicion and/or contempt, it is another evil fruit.

This is exactly what the SSPX et alii (and, in the final analysis, ALL trads of whatever stripe) do with regard to the Novus, and rightly so. So...?

What happens accidentally is not the same as that which happens formally and intentionally. To adhere to tradition it happens accidentally that a separation occurs from the normal diocesan structure. On the other hand, theoretical sedevacantists separate themselves intentionally, not from that which is evil, but that which is good, because of their private opinions.

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2009, 03:39:57 PM »

There is no such thing as a 'sede vacantist'.

roscoe · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2009, 08:11:42 PM »

What is a conclavist?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2009, 08:59:51 PM »

I am a sedevacantist, roscoe.

What are you? If you are not a sedevacantist, please lead me in the direction of your Pope. Because Siri is dead.

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2009, 09:09:47 PM »

Just because I don't know who the Pope is does not mean that there isn't one.

So you believe That Greg XVII was the Pope until 1989?

btw the trick you pulled attempting to create the impression that I 'worship' John Lennon or that I 'hate' Moors was a pretty low blow.