Please explain your use of the word "accidentally" here Caminus:
"What happens accidentally is not the same as that which happens formally and intentionally. To adhere to tradition it happens accidentally that a separation occurs from the normal diocesan structure."
SSPX is thus "accidental" and sedevacantists are "intentional" according to your lights. SSPX was forced out, and sedevacantists forced THEMSELVES out. Is this correct?
Therefore between SSPX and Sedevacantism there is not a difference in kind but in degree. You are painting SSPX as pained and reluctant to break with the "Church," sensitive souls who are fully aware of the gravity of their choice, while we, the sedevacantists, have no restraint and just burn up the ground, leaving nothing behind us but skidmarks and the smell of petrol. You are tormented in a holy way by your position, because it means disobeying the Pope, while we rejoice in an unseemly way in our clean break with the same said "Pope."
For some reason I speak the language known as "Caminus" and this is what I'm picking up.
Well, all this is the usual refrain with the SSPX, "le même rengaine." Dear reader, whoever you might be, I point out to you the murky and tenebrous language used by the SSPX who try to make the untenable tenable.
*You would have me ( us ) believe that refusing to adopt a Catholic theological position is somehow necessary because it shows charity and temperance.
*We must linger longer in incoherence and contradiction, accepting a man as Pope but disobeying all his words and actions, so that we can say to ourselves "We don't want to be rebels, we don't want to disobey, we want to give them another chance" -- while, ironically, you disobey your "Pope" with every breath, thus implying that Popes can teach error and heresy and the Catholic Church can defect and fail.
*We should remain tenuously attached to the "normal diocesan structure" and wring our hands, sorrowing like Cassandra over the fall of Troy, but not taking any action. Like the clownish heroes of Beckett's Waiting for Godot we must wait an absurd eternity for the VII "Popes," who aren't even remotely Catholic, to realize the error of their ways and come back into the fold.
All this so that we can tell God on the day of Judgment that "we didn't rebel, we were good little Catholics." The SSPX philosophy is entirely fear-driven. It works on the fear of the laity to question their superiors. This is the same fear tactic used by the Vatican II sect, by the way. Those in SSPX want their traditional Catholicism but they don't want to call a spade a spade -- they don't want to say that the Pope isn't the Pope, just IN CASE he might be ( don't worry, he isn't. ) So they tie themselves up into mental knots. The contradictions become more glaringly obvious practically every day.
Do you think obeying wolves makes you a good Catholic? It is more likely to me that, on the Day of Judgment, God will say to those in SSPX "Why didn't you stand up? Why didn't you fight for the truth? Why didn't you do something?"
The problem is that ANY adherence to the "normal diocesan structure" which in our time is totally ABNORMAL -- and especially adherence to their "Popes" -- IS rebellion. Since Vatican II was a revolution and the last five Popes have all approved of it and were in varying degrees its author, those who approve of these Popes must likewise, in varying degrees, be revolutionaries or approve of revolution, formally or materially, explicitly or implicitly.
Also, if you have met any CMRI priests, or any of the laity, you would know how laughable is the accusation that sedevacantists are fanatics. These are the most mellow people you could find and are just good old-fashioned Catholics who reject the idea that we can reject a Pope's entire teaching and still consider him the Pope.
So yes, Elizabeth, to answer your question, I think only sedevacantists and -privationists and possibly Siri-ites are the true Church -- though of all these, sedevacantists are the most honest and pure, because they aren't shying away from the ugly reality of our time and say flat-out that we have no Pope to teach and to guide. This, whether Roscoe likes it or not, is our reality.
That doesn't mean I think everyone in SSPX or even VII is going to hell because there are various degrees of culpability for each individual and it takes certain people longer to get a proper overview of this mess.