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Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2014, 01:55:16 PM »
Quote from: soulguard
Can someone explain how Benedict XVI's moto proprio declaration granting the "Indult" does not apply to the priests who said mass at this college? Is the indult cancelled now?


The indult to say the traditional (1962) Mass is an exception that the local bishop has the authority to grant or not grant.

This is what the motu proprio says:
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Art. 2. In Masses celebrated without the people, each Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or regular, may use the Roman Missal published by Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962, or the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, and may do so on any day with the exception of the Easter Triduum. For such celebrations, with either one Missal or the other, the priest has no need for permission from the Apostolic See or from his Ordinary.


As you can see, the phrase I bolded merely allows priests to say the 1962 Mass without permission if he does so alone, without servers, without people present.

This bishop has fully accommodated, in accordance with other provisions of the motu proprio, the wishes for the 1962 Mass by anyone who wishes to attend by making it available at St. Mary of the Assumption Church (see the bishop's letter, norm #1).  

Now, if the college closes the doors of the chapel, the bishop cannot deny the right of any Conciliar priest who has faculties to say Mass in his diocese to say the 1962 Mass.  Of course, no one would know about it so it would not be an issue.

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Just so. This is a situation where one side has been doing its damnedest to play strictly by Newchurch rules and the other side—the side holding all the marbles as well as the exclusive right to write and rewrite the rules at will—laughs loudly at the first side's cluelessness.

This is why the SSPX's "celebration" of Summorum Pontificuм was so insane!  The motu proprio did not "free" the traditional Mass, which was, I thought, one of the pre-conditions to negotiations.  All it did was allow for priests to do in secrecy what they wished to do without having any scruples of conscience that they were "breaking the rules" or something like that.  The [Conciliar] faithful have exactly the same legal access to attend the traditional (1962) Mass they did prior to the publication of the motu proprio on July 7, 2007--i.e., if they can find a willing priest and if they can find a church building whose rector is willing to allow it, and if the bishop is willing to allow the nostalgic fad that they all believe is behind the desire to go to the traditional Mass, they can have it when and where the bishop graciously allows.  Otherwise, who cares what the laity do because most of them still put money in the collection basket anyway?

Quote from: claudel
Just so. This is a situation where one side has been doing its damnedest to play strictly by Newchurch rules and the other side—the side holding all the marbles as well as the exclusive right to write and rewrite the rules at will—laughs loudly at the first side's cluelessness.


And are you surprised?  Satan always laughs at people's foolishness.

Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2014, 02:24:40 PM »
One reason this Francis-appointee wolf banned FMC's TLM after just a month at the job is because, according to ex-FMC «ex officio» board member Dr. Taylor Marshall, FMC's Dr. Dudley
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claimed in his Year of Faith lecture that Catholic professors have the duty to teach young people that Vatican 2 is not a valid Council (he also endorsed other “resistance” positions regarding the Novus Ordo, John Paul II, etc.).
You can read Dr. Dudley's lecture here: http://fishermore.edu/.../uploads/Dudley-Faith-in-Europe.pdf

Another reason I've been able to verify from a mother of an FMC student is that their current chaplain is SSPX, since the FSSP one left months ago:
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One of his [her son's] friends served Mass and found out later the priest was SSPX. Other students who attend and are friends with my son are also telling him this.
Dr. Taylor Marshall verifies this:
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He [Mr. King] also contracted an irregular/suspended priest without faculties, and hired “trad resistance” faculty while there was no bishop in Fort Worth to check these developments.
https://www.facebook.com/DrTaylorMarshall/posts/400180263452671

Fr. Kramer's comment on the relevant CFNews article:
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Brainwashed Catholics still don't get it; There's only one course of action that works: Campos and Econe. No one is bound by obedience to bishops or popes who profess heresy and schismatically enforced fabricated new liturgical rites. As the independent traditional priest, the late Fr. Paul Wickens said so many times: "Don't walk, run away from the Novus Ordo."


Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2014, 02:59:09 PM »
Quote from: Geremia
One reason this Francis-appointee wolf banned FMC's TLM after just a month at the job is because, according to ex-FMC «ex officio» board member Dr. Taylor Marshall, FMC's Dr. Dudley
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claimed in his Year of Faith lecture that Catholic professors have the duty to teach young people that Vatican 2 is not a valid Council (he also endorsed other “resistance” positions regarding the Novus Ordo, John Paul II, etc.).
You can read Dr. Dudley's lecture here: http://fishermore.edu/.../uploads/Dudley-Faith-in-Europe.pdf

Another reason I've been able to verify from a mother of an FMC student is that their current chaplain is SSPX, since the FSSP one left months ago:
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One of his [her son's] friends served Mass and found out later the priest was SSPX. Other students who attend and are friends with my son are also telling him this.
Dr. Taylor Marshall verifies this:
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He [Mr. King] also contracted an irregular/suspended priest without faculties, and hired “trad resistance” faculty while there was no bishop in Fort Worth to check these developments.
https://www.facebook.com/DrTaylorMarshall/posts/400180263452671

Fr. Kramer's comment on the relevant CFNews article:
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Brainwashed Catholics still don't get it; There's only one course of action that works: Campos and Econe. No one is bound by obedience to bishops or popes who profess heresy and schismatically enforced fabricated new liturgical rites. As the independent traditional priest, the late Fr. Paul Wickens said so many times: "Don't walk, run away from the Novus Ordo."


Dr. Dudley's lecture has been removed. Guess they are out and about being busy scrubbing their website! We have seen this before, haven't we?

Was it just there today or yesterday?

What a nightmare.

Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2014, 03:11:08 PM »
Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: claudel
Just so. This is a situation where one side has been doing its damnedest to play strictly by Newchurch rules and the other side—the side holding all the marbles as well as the exclusive right to write and rewrite the rules at will—laughs loudly at the first side's cluelessness.


And are you surprised?  Satan always laughs at people's foolishness.


Very true.

Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2014, 03:58:38 PM »
Quote from: TKGS
And are you surprised? Satan always laughs at people's foolishness.


No. I wouldn't have referred to laughter if surprise had entered the picture. I am not, however, prepared to read anyone's mind and conscience. That is to say, whilst I'm sure that Satan is indeed laughing at what's happening in Texas, it's a bit early in the day to declare or imply that Olson or, for that matter, Taylor Marshall and the other robotic, thick-witted Newchurchers who back Olson are Satanic.* Calling them "fundamentally disordered" seems sufficient—and quite bad enough—for now.
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* I am not suggesting that you yourself are doing so. Given the propensity for freelance mind reading hereabouts, however, any time is a good time to preach prudence—especially before each new commenter tries to outdo the last one in broad-jumping to conclusions.