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Offline Belloc

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« Reply #300 on: August 30, 2010, 01:32:05 PM »
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    actually, Gerry Matatics would say yes, avoid Shakespeare, he feels it is a Trojan Horse to push poor morals and was a part of the attack on the Church in 16th C England....


    This sounds interesting! Can you tell me more about this, Belloc?


    waiting for him to do a show on it, mentioned it in his multi-part talk on the Plot Against the Catholic Church on ISOC site, in particular, the English reformation parts....
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    « Reply #301 on: August 30, 2010, 01:36:54 PM »
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    Having a gαy character doesn't necessarily mean the show is a front for the LGBT.


    Let's look at it this way. If you watch the show knowing there is a gαy character on it, you come off as supporting the gαy movement. Even though you don't support the gαy movement, you're showing you still have no problem with the show. Is watching a tv show just for humor and entertainment worth losing your soul over?


    we have to realize there is a reason why there is a openly gαy character and why he/she is there!! part of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ network push, read Fr. Rueda's book, most everything he predicted to happen came true or is in process...why he was literally thrown out into the dark by hierachy....
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    « Reply #302 on: August 30, 2010, 01:44:31 PM »
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    I did not notice where opposition to television and marijuana were condemned as Jansenism.


     :roll-laugh2: oly in Roscoe's mind  :roll-laugh2:


    I am all for trashing TV with the exception of news/ docuмentaries which alas can now be found on the web. Opposition to the wonder drug indeed smacks of a jansenistic condemnation of free will.
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    « Reply #303 on: August 30, 2010, 01:51:16 PM »
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    actually, Gerry Matatics would say yes, avoid Shakespeare, he feels it is a Trojan Horse to push poor morals and was a part of the attack on the Church in 16th C England....



    Funny


    I'll see you and raise you a bishop and and a lit prof

    hows, +Williamson and Dr. David Allen White...


    +W:
    "Bishop Williamson pointed out that Shakespeare was neither a theologian nor a philosopher. He was an artist, one of the greatest artists of all times, the Bishop said."


    Dr DAW:
    "In teaching Shakespeare, I’ve been fortunate to deal with the greatest writer the English language has every known, a master of language who used it with precision, beauty, depth, and genuine spiritual insight."


    Not only that but Dr White has witnessed Shakespeare initiate dozens of conversions.


    maybe so, maybe not-the discussion continues on that, not sure what the "raising" thing is, but I have her now on hide, so really, could care less what the phony Catholic thinks....White's comments do not mention morals of Shakespeare, only writing and use of language, grammer,etc...mechanics, not morals noted.....


    I'm not sure what you're saying...it sounds like you are saying +W is a phony Catholic, and while his personal opinions, like everyone else's run the gamut from ridiculous to right on, he is certainly no phony, he is a solid as any of the other SSPX bishops...which is to say, solid.

    So no the discussion does not continue...because Dr. DAW would not be teaching WS as some great thing if he were morally offensive.  The same does not always apply to +W who has offered up recommendations to view "morally offensive" material before...but that is not the tone of this particular interview of his...so...now you're called...and I'll take all your chips.

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    « Reply #304 on: August 30, 2010, 02:35:39 PM »
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    go back to my notes on Scipio, look at her posts at FE for awhile, study them in content, form etc and one wil lsee the woman is highly deluded...


    I thought Scipio was a bloke, and his wife is Underdog... But then I don't pay an awful lot of attention to these things. I am sure I picked up on that though.


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    « Reply #305 on: August 30, 2010, 02:56:19 PM »
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    go back to my notes on Scipio, look at her posts at FE for awhile, study them in content, form etc and one wil lsee the woman is highly deluded...


    I thought Scipio was a bloke, and his wife is Underdog... But then I don't pay an awful lot of attention to these things. I am sure I picked up on that though.


    not 100% either, just going the the Lucy Liu (or whoever) avatar he or she chose.....
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    « Reply #306 on: August 30, 2010, 03:02:04 PM »
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    actually, Gerry Matatics would say yes, avoid Shakespeare, he feels it is a Trojan Horse to push poor morals and was a part of the attack on the Church in 16th C England....



    Funny


    I'll see you and raise you a bishop and and a lit prof

    hows, +Williamson and Dr. David Allen White...


    +W:
    "Bishop Williamson pointed out that Shakespeare was neither a theologian nor a philosopher. He was an artist, one of the greatest artists of all times, the Bishop said."


    Dr DAW:
    "In teaching Shakespeare, I’ve been fortunate to deal with the greatest writer the English language has every known, a master of language who used it with precision, beauty, depth, and genuine spiritual insight."


    Not only that but Dr White has witnessed Shakespeare initiate dozens of conversions.


    maybe so, maybe not-the discussion continues on that, not sure what the "raising" thing is, but I have her now on hide, so really, could care less what the phony Catholic thinks....White's comments do not mention morals of Shakespeare, only writing and use of language, grammer,etc...mechanics, not morals noted.....


    I'm not sure what you're saying...it sounds like you are saying +W is a phony Catholic, and while his personal opinions, like everyone else's run the gamut from ridiculous to right on, he is certainly no phony, he is a solid as any of the other SSPX bishops...which is to say, solid.

    So no the discussion does not continue...because Dr. DAW would not be teaching WS as some great thing if he were morally offensive.  The same does not always apply to +W who has offered up recommendations to view "morally offensive" material before...but that is not the tone of this particular interview of his...so...now you're called...and I'll take all your chips.


    Sorry, I missed your comment Belloc, until Scipio brought it up again.

    Dr. White often speaks on WS's personal life and morals. "He was not a courageous Catholic..." is a line you'll hear often (referring to the fact that for many years he hid his Faith in his work rather than practice it outright), however he ended well and his works are Catholic to the core. One of my favorite commentaries is the one titled "Shakespeare and the Modern World", if anyone is interested. It goes into Shakespeare's personal life in detail and why he is the perfect instrument for conversions at this time. Had he been a "courageous Catholic" he most likely would have been martyred and we would not have this treasure today, so God allows everything, even our weaknesses, for a reason. Even the religious confusion he endured while his Faith was being tested, the time he spent not practicing, all of it resulted in those works that we can relate to even now, or I should say, especially now.

    The thing is they portray good to be good and evil to be evil. It gets complicated but life is complicated and we can relate to that. Literature like this is an instrument we can use to teach ourselves and others the consequences of making the wrong decision or the joys of making the right ones. They are extended parables so to speak. I would much rather teach my child (at the appropriate ages of course) through other people's, or other characters' mistakes in literature than have them go out and make all those mistakes on their own. He'll make his own for sure but if I can mitigate that with a few parables or good works of literature, I will.  

    Not only, that but most people are so fallen away from God that the mention of anything religious will turn them away even more, or their ideas of religion are so twisted that they cannot grasp Catholic truths, whereas learning through a more veiled instrument can restore them to humanity first so that the ground is fertile for grace to take hold. People can't be saints if they don't even know how to be human and Shakespeare is one who answers many questions of humanity, from the perspective of the Faith, but without making that immediately obvious.

    It's too bad there's a crusade against him within tradition. It does not surprise me, but it's really too bad because a lot of good comes of the study of his work.


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    « Reply #307 on: August 30, 2010, 04:51:24 PM »
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    It's too bad there's a crusade against him within tradition. It does not surprise me, but it's really too bad because a lot of good comes of the study of his work.


    I'm not familiar with any crusade against Shakespeare in tradCath circles. He's a lionized figure if anything.


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    « Reply #308 on: August 30, 2010, 05:09:57 PM »
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  • Wallflower, thanks for the sensitive post on Shakespeare.

    Who dares to crusade against him, and why?????

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    « Reply #309 on: August 30, 2010, 07:24:25 PM »
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  • Well crusade was probably much too strong a word, but Belloc mentioned that Gerry Matatics speaking against Shakespeare as a Trojan horse against Catholicism. I thought he seemed to agree with him. Maybe I got the wrong impression though.

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    « Reply #310 on: August 31, 2010, 01:12:31 AM »
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    I did not notice where opposition to television and marijuana were condemned as Jansenism.


     :roll-laugh2: oly in Roscoe's mind  :roll-laugh2:


    I am all for trashing TV with the exception of news/ docuмentaries which alas can now be found on the web. Opposition to the wonder drug indeed smacks of a jansenistic condemnation of free will.


    Hi:smoke-pot:,

    When people use their free will to oppose pot-smoking; you accuse them of Jansenism.

    Can you grasp the contradiction?

    If not, continue.  On with the insane comedy.  :smirk:


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    « Reply #311 on: August 31, 2010, 01:23:22 AM »
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    btw this Forum might be surprised re: how much I know about Jansenism. I prefer Church History to Theology and have been through most historical accounts of the Jansenist/ Jesuit rivalry.

     


    Or maybe not. You might be surpised to know that you have provided very effective demonstrations of your lack of logic and inability to comprehend the written word.

    I do not doubt that you have read much on the subject. But that does not mean you know much about it.

    Your application of the term has been unjustified and just plain wrong.


    ask him, if you dare go down that rabbit hole, what is obsession is with Jansenism and why everyone not wanting to  :smoke-pot: is laballed one to him....I for one, am not into mind altering drugs that make me a ---wait for it---waaaait-MK ULTRA SLAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dancing-banana: :bob-marley: :jumping2:


    I have asked him and all I ever get are the usual flaky  Roscoe:smoke-pot:head type of replies.


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    « Reply #312 on: August 31, 2010, 08:02:11 AM »
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  • reminds me of a kid I knew in Catholic 9th grade school, nice kid, always came to school smelling like pot and largely zoned out and as you would say, flaky..again, nice kid, but ouuuut there... :plant:
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    « Reply #313 on: August 31, 2010, 08:25:53 AM »
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  • Hollywood is the magician’s wand (holly-holy) which has been used to cast a spell on the unsuspecting public. Things or ideas which would otherwise be seen as bizarre, vulgar, undesirable or impossible are inserted into films in the realm of fantasy. When the viewer watches these films, his/her mind is left open to suggestion and the conditioning process begins. These same movies which are designed to program the average person, can give the discerning viewer a better understanding of the workings and the plan of the world agenda.   — Alan Watt
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    « Reply #314 on: August 31, 2010, 08:32:03 AM »
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  • I wonder if the:smoke-pot: considers the CIA's experiments with MJ to be sacrilegious conduct.   :laugh2: