Quote from: Roman Catholic

Wallflower,

Do you agree that Everybody Loves  Raymond contains frequent sɛҳuąƖ innuendo and explicit references?

A quick search just produced this which reminds me of how the show makes light of deception and lying, making them out to be funny.

Plot Summary for
"Everybody Loves Raymond" Angry Sex (2004)

Ray plans an evening of sex. But Marie makes Debra lose her temper and she's not in the mood anymore. Ray tries his best to put her back in the mood. Which leads to the best night of sex he's ever had. But when Marie comes over to apologize, Ray lies to them both to make Debra's rage bigger.

Please refer to my first post about lesser evils and taking issue with an episode here and there as opposed to taking issue with every minute of every episode.

Do you know what comedy is? Comedy is based on incongruity, surprise and the unexpected. The reason Ray can do comedy involving the Church without ridiculing the Church is because there is an inconsistency with his own laxity and the views of the Church. Who gets the brunt of the ridicule? Himself. The Church is portrayed as being the Church and HE and his father (mainly) are the ones who are portrayed as being bumbling and not congruent with the Church. They are not portrayed as good guys bucking this tyrant Church, they are portrayed as lax and wrong. His mother and his wife are portrayed as the good ones who have Faith and go to Church or volunteer etc... His humor is funny to a Catholic because it is self-depreciating. We can all relate to being bumbling and not having all the answers, especially in the NO. That's the context.  

You are seriously taking these summaries out of context. Do you know who is portrayed how? Do you know how they end? Do you know how these conflicts are resolved? We could do this with the Bible and countless good literature, take lewd stories out of them and summarize them to be much worse. The point is context. This comedy is based in self-depreciating humor and love of family and finding humor in the common conflicts in daily family life. I can't guarantee every single episode but most of them (considering there are nine years worth) deal with very real and wholesome experiences that even Catholics can relate to.

Everybody Loves Raymond is NOT a family show and you don't seem to care. Watching a show knowing it contains bad content implies that you support that bad content, whatever it is. Attacks on Catholicism should not be tolerated. So what if two characters on the show volunteer at the Church? The main character of the show constantly bashes Catholicism. If someone were to bash Catholicism right in front of you would you defend it or just sit there? You say you wouldn't touch shows such as The Kardashians and The Simpsons with a 10 foot pole and neither would I, but Raymond is just as bad, and you know it yet ignore your conscience which is clearly telling you it is wrong. Our conscience is the voice of God. Therefore to ignore your conscience is to ignore God.

There are some of us who are very tired of the hypocracy of the drug war which is after all a child of prohibition.

One step towards saving Mexico has to be the decriminalisation of all drugs.  

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Quote from: roscoe

If anything I would consider TV itself Jansenistic as almost everything on is liberal.

As prev stated and now proved roscoe does not know how to define Jansenism/Jansenistic.

It occured to me about an hour ago that I may have Occaisionally used the term Jansenist inappropriately-- thank U CM.  My apologises to the Forum.

It should however be kept in mind false piety that hides a true liberalism  is still one of the tell-tale signs of the cult.  

I occured to me long ago that you should not have accused Catholics of being heretics (Jansenists) when you had no basis.

Nice apology to the "Forum", which I am sure the Forum somehow accepts in its own way.  :wink:

But I do not recall you accusing the Forum of being Jansenistic. You did however accuse particular individuals of being Jansenists.  You also regularly made sweeping accusations of Jansenism towards people who disagreed with you on various issues.

It should also  be kept in mind that you are not the authority on what constitutes false piety.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, there are some educated and intelligent Catholics here with well informed and formed consciences who posssibly, just possibly might  know better than you about some things?

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Quote from: Belloc

laughing at the nose of Pius XI

Actually, the only nose I commented on would have been Benedict XV's.  It definitely looks Jєωιѕн.

Some Italians have similar noses to the Jєωιѕн nose. Just look at some portraits of Dante Alighieri.

True. Any attempt to refer to  the shape of the pope's nose to try bolster a case for his alleged Jєωιѕнness is patently absurd.

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Quote from: Matto

Pretty much all of the characters on television are evil people. Watching television is like inviting evil people into your home except there is no chance of converting the evil people to good, only the chance to convert you to evil. Should we enjoy the company of evil people? Should we laugh at their evil jokes? Should we fantasize about their sins?

Wow

cooking shows...garden shows...at the very least....LOL

Matto did start off saying: "Pretty much all of the characters on television are evil people"

A character is a representation of a person, so I think we can deduce that Matto was not referring to cooking shows...garden shows and such like.

Anyway here's upping the ante:

The presenters and celebrities on various gardening, cooking shows etc. are often notorious for their perverted lifestyles, which are applauded and celebrated both on and off-screen. Many people adore the celebrities and glory in their perverted lifestyles.

This is contextually very relelvant. People are influenced by the people they watch. Even if the viewer does not become an over-night pervert, the acceptance of the sinful lifestyles is detimental to souls.

On a cooking show broadcast here recently, two individuals revealed their "gαyness" with viewers being treated to letters written to the lesbian and queer by their partners.

Other heterosɛҳuąƖ participants discussed their situation of living in sin, which of course was not refered to by that terminology. and yet others discussed their second marriages and adulterous affairs.

So disedifying.

Um no, none of that is relavent.  Their lifestyle or choices off screen have nothing to do with the show you watch.  If you choose to not support somone because you don't want to...that's fine, but it does not make watching a particular show a sin.  Your choices do not equal "the Catholic" road...they equal your road.

As for your made up conversation that happen on cooking shows...yeah.

And even that does not matter, if there is something outside the Catholic realm it does not mean you can't watch it, you need to do so with a Catholic understanding...I speak theoretically and not of any particular show.


Anyway...put your head back in the sand...

As for the other guy saying pretty much all people on TV are evil...life must hold a lot of excitement for you...I suppose most people are evil seeing as the majority of your neighbors are much like the folks on TV

If you think people are not influenced by celebs and what they see or read about them - you are just plain deluded.

And who said anything about not being able to watch things that are not specifically Catholic?

I have never seen a Catholic cooking show.

You accused me of lying when I related the recent occurrence on a cooking show. You are wrong and you have no basis for accusing me of lying. So an apology is in order.

Here is just one reference to what I wrote earlier about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs flaunting it on a cooking show:

"Both have spoken about being gαy on the show, and there has also been footage of them both with their respective partners"

http://forums.vogue.com.au/showthread.php?p=6183331

BTW Clare, the Australian version of MasterChef is not as sedate as the UK version.