Quote from: wallflower

This is the mistake that is causing a useless argument.

The useless argument came about because you wen tin to bat for E L Raymond, and I wen't into bat against it.

You will not be convinced that taken as a whole the series is no good. I will not be e convinced that taken as a whole the series is good.

Perhaps we can agree that not everybody loves Raymond.

Don't put this on me. I merely mentioned it as a lesser evil, as something Catholics could watch that isn't nasty like The Kardashians, Family Guy et al, something that has more basis in our own lives and less political agenda. You couldn't wait to dive in and pretend I said what I didn't say, as well as ignore what I did say about what both shows are not about. You obviously have something against me to start with or you would have taken my correction and moved on rather than googling like a maniac to take things out of context to "prove" me wrong.  

Walflower, please don't jump to conclusions or be paranoid. I did not  have something against you to start with. If it is obvious to you that I did, you are delusional, or at least badly mistaken.

Look back calmly;  I never pretended you said anything.

Perhaps the discussion was just too robust for you. Never mind. No big deal.

BTW, doing a couple of real quick searches is not googling like maniac.  :rolleyes:

Maybe Raymond does not do it for me, but you just made me laugh.  

 :wink:

Pretty much all of the characters on television are evil people. Watching television is like inviting evil people into your home except there is no chance of converting the evil people to good, only the chance to convert you to evil. Should we enjoy the company of evil people? Should we laugh at their evil jokes? Should we fantasize about their sins?

Wow

cooking shows...garden shows...at the very least....LOL

Quote from: Belloc

actually, Gerry Matatics would say yes, avoid Shakespeare, he feels it is a Trojan Horse to push poor morals and was a part of the attack on the Church in 16th C England....

Funny


I'll see you and raise you a bishop and and a lit prof

hows, +Williamson and Dr. David Allen White...


+W:
"Bishop Williamson pointed out that Shakespeare was neither a theologian nor a philosopher. He was an artist, one of the greatest artists of all times, the Bishop said."


Dr DAW:
"In teaching Shakespeare, I’ve been fortunate to deal with the greatest writer the English language has every known, a master of language who used it with precision, beauty, depth, and genuine spiritual insight."

Not only that but Dr White has witnessed Shakespeare initiate dozens of conversions.

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Walflower, please don't jump to conclusions or be paranoid. I did not  have something against you to start with. If it is obvious to you that I did, you are delusional, or at least badly mistaken.

Look back calmly;  I never pretended you said anything.

Perhaps the discussion was just too robust for you. Never mind. No big deal.

BTW, doing a couple of real quick searches is not googling like maniac.  :rolleyes:

Maybe Raymond does not do it for me, but you just made me laugh.  

 :wink:

Oh good. I was really starting to question your ability to recognize surprising, unexpected or incongruous elements without imagining they are sinful.

It's ok you can question whatever you want. Doesn't worry me. I know the score. And I recognise when material is unsuitable in varying degrees according to the principles of Catholic moral theology. I am also aware of many decisicions of the League of Decency and the reasoning employed.

roscoe, I don't think you know what a Jansenist is. If you do, please define it for us. If you can not define it, then stop using that term to describe people.

Unigenitus was a good read, thank you roscoe. I would not consider myself a Jansenist after reading it. Yay! In the past I have wondered about a few of those condemned propositions and now I know that they are wrong. I did not notice where opposition to television and marijuana were condemned as Jansenism.

laughing at the nose of Pius XI

Actually, the only nose I commented on would have been Benedict XV's.  It definitely looks Jєωιѕн.