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Roman Catholic · « **Reply #180 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:36:23 AM »

Quote from: Matto

Pretty much all of the characters on television are evil people. Watching television is like inviting evil people into your home except there is no chance of converting the evil people to good, only the chance to convert you to evil. Go ahead, sell you soul for a good laugh.

Yes no doubt there is some very funny material in those very sinful shows.

For some souls the humor is the enticing, almost unresistable bait in the trap.

Matto · « **Reply #181 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:40:48 AM »

I edited my post that you quoted because I thought maybe I was speaking a little too harshly. But I stand by what I said before and after the edit.

wallflower · « **Reply #182 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:45:39 AM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Wallflower,

Do you agree that Everybody Loves Raymond contains frequent sɛҳuąƖ innuendo and explicit references?

A quick search just produced this which reminds me of how the show makes light of deception and lying, making them out to be funny.

Plot Summary for
"Everybody Loves Raymond" Angry Sex (2004)

Ray plans an evening of sex. But Marie makes Debra lose her temper and she's not in the mood anymore. Ray tries his best to put her back in the mood. Which leads to the best night of sex he's ever had. But when Marie comes over to apologize, Ray lies to them both to make Debra's rage bigger.

Please refer to my first post about lesser evils and taking issue with an episode here and there as opposed to taking issue with every minute of every episode.

Do you know what comedy is? Comedy is based on incongruity, surprise and the unexpected. The reason Ray can do comedy involving the Church without ridiculing the Church is because there is an inconsistency with his own laxity and the views of the Church. Who gets the brunt of the ridicule? Himself. The Church is portrayed as being the Church and HE and his father (mainly) are the ones who are portrayed as being bumbling and not congruent with the Church. They are not portrayed as good guys bucking this tyrant Church, they are portrayed as lax and wrong. His mother and his wife are portrayed as the good ones who have Faith and go to Church or volunteer etc... His humor is funny to a Catholic because it is self-depreciating. We can all relate to being bumbling and not having all the answers, especially in the NO. That's the context.

You are seriously taking these summaries out of context. Do you know who is portrayed how? Do you know how they end? Do you know how these conflicts are resolved? We could do this with the Bible and countless good literature, take lewd stories out of them and summarize them to be much worse. The point is context. This comedy is based in self-depreciating humor and love of family and finding humor in the common conflicts in daily family life. I can't guarantee every single episode but most of them (considering there are nine years worth) deal with very real and wholesome experiences that even Catholics can relate to.

henry · « **Reply #183 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:49:35 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

actually, Gerry Matatics would say yes, avoid Shakespeare, he feels it is a Trojan Horse to push poor morals and was a part of the attack on the Church in 16th C England....

This sounds interesting! Can you tell me more about this, Belloc?

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #184 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:52:41 AM »

This is going nowhere because clearly we have dissimilar standards.

The gratuitous sɛҳuąƖ content should be enough to put you off the show.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #185 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:54:35 AM »

Quote from: wallflower

Do you know what comedy is?

The relevant question is, do you know what good, wholesome comedy is?

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #186 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:56:19 AM »

Quote from: Matto

I edited my post that you quoted because I thought maybe I was speaking a little too harshly. But I stand by what I said before and after the edit.

Just as well, you stand by the original, because I can't delete it now! :cheers:

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #187 on:** August 27, 2010, 11:31:43 AM »

Season 6 / Episode 5: - Marie's Sculpture

Marie Barone: [as she realizes her sculpture looks like a vagina] Oh, my God. I'm a lesbian.

Good wholesome viewing?

Or do you prefer this?...

Marie Barone: Fine! You got it out of me. Your father and I... succuмbed to temptation before we got married. I fell for your father's boyish good looks. But, it didn't matter. We were in love. Right, Frank?
Frank Barone: I wanted sex.

I had forgotten that there were episodes about the pre-marital sex of all the main characters.

And the episodes were not morality tales, just impure comedy.

wallflower · « **Reply #188 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:01:56 PM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

This is going nowhere because clearly we have dissimilar standards.

The gratuitous sɛҳuąƖ content should be enough to put you off the show.

Well if that were the case I would have put down the Bible at Genesis and I would not read half the literature I've read. I don't think our standards are different I think our understanding of context is different.

What you are pushing as gratuitous sɛҳuąƖ content is not sex scenes. I know that's what you'd like to believe but it is nothing more than the PDA that I would see in my own home or family. There are no sex scenes that are directed to arouse.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #189 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:09:12 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Quote from: Roman Catholic
This is going nowhere because clearly we have dissimilar standards.

The gratuitous sɛҳuąƖ content should be enough to put you off the show.

Well if that were the case I would have put down the Bible at Genesis and I would not read half the literature I've read. I don't think our standards are different I think our understanding of context is different.

What you are pushing as gratuitous sɛҳuąƖ content is not sex scenes. I know that's what you'd like to believe but it is nothing more than the PDA that I would see in my own home or family. There are no sex scenes that are directed to arouse.

The Bible does not contain gratuitous sɛҳuąƖ content.

I beg to differ about sex scenes in ELR, but I won't post the link here.

Furthermore, besides graphic visual content there are other types of sɛҳuąƖ content that are entirely unsuitable.

It does not need to be pornography to be impure, unchaste or immodest.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #190 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:14:12 PM »

Wallflower said:

Well if that were the case I would have put down the Bible at Genesis and I would not read half the literature I've read.

I bet you would feel very uncomfortable watching many of the episodes of Raymond with your pastor. But I bet you would not feel the same unease reading Bible passages. :wink:

You will not convince me that Everbody Loves Raymond is a suitable series. (I am not saying every segment of every episode is bad.)

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #191 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:24:37 PM »

Maybe we should start a thread: Not Everybody Loves Raymond.

Jokin' of course. I have had more than enough of Raymond here!

:cheers:

wallflower · « **Reply #192 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:29:55 PM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Wallflower said:

Well if that were the case I would have put down the Bible at Genesis and I would not read half the literature I've read.

I bet you would feel very uncomfortable watching many of the episodes of Raymond with your pastor. But I bet you would not feel the same unease reading Bible passages. :wink:

You will not convince me that Everbody Loves Raymond is a suitable series. (I am not saying every segment of every episode is bad.)

I'm not trying to. This is the mistake that is causing a useless argument. There are many episodes of Raymond that I would not be uncomfortable watching with my pastor. There are Bible passages that I find explicit enough that I'd prefer not to read them with my pastor. Doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means that he is not the most comfortable company for some subjects. My husband is, however. That's one of the differences context makes.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #193 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:37:44 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Quote from: Roman Catholic
Wallflower said:

Well if that were the case I would have put down the Bible at Genesis and I would not read half the literature I've read.

I bet you would feel very uncomfortable watching many of the episodes of Raymond with your pastor. But I bet you would not feel the same unease reading Bible passages. :wink:

You will not convince me that Everbody Loves Raymond is a suitable series. (I am not saying every segment of every episode is bad.)

I'm not trying to. This is the mistake that is causing a useless argument. There are many episodes of Raymond that I would not be uncomfortable watching with my pastor. There are Bible passages that I find explicit enough that I'd prefer not to read them with my pastor. Doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means that he is not the most comfortable company for some subjects. My husband is, however. That's one of the differences context makes.

The context is that the Church has decreed that the Bible in its entirety is the inspired word of God.

On the other hand the TV series E L Raymond contains smut, immodesty, and impurity - all in the context of stimulating people to be amused by it.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #194 on:** August 27, 2010, 12:42:32 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

This is the mistake that is causing a useless argument.

The useless argument came about because you went in to bat for E L Raymond, and I went into bat against it.

You are not convinced that taken as a whole the series is no good. I am not convinced that taken as a whole the series is good. In fact I think much if not most of it is problematic.

Perhaps we can agree that not everybody loves Raymond.