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I have never seen the show but from the little I have read about it, it does not look like a suitable show to me. Considering that The Office is a modern tv comedy show and not a Shakespearean morality tale, I would be very surprised if there are not more problems with it besides those indicated here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Office_(U.S._TV_series)
Michael Scott, regional manager of the Scranton branch of the Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, feels he is the life of the office; his employees feel otherwise. His former co-manager, sales representative Jim Halpert is newly married to the former receptionist turned sales representative, Pam Halpert (née Beesly). Their relationship comes after three seasons of friendship laced with romantic tension.

The accounting department features the uptight Angela Martin, who wishes to keep things orderly and make sure situations remain as serious as possible; Kevin Malone, a sardonic, overweight man who revels in juvenile humor and is addicted to gambling and M&Ms; and the patient Oscar Martinez, whose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Mexican American heritage make him a favorite target for Michael's off-hand comments. ...

 A story arc at the start of the fifth season has Holly Flax transferred to the office as Toby's replacement. She acts as a love interest for Michael, as they share very similar personalities. However, Holly is transferred away after corporate discovers that Michael and Holly are involved, resulting in their break up.

Former main characters no longer part of the show include Pam's ex-fiance, Roy Anderson, who left the show in the third season after nearly assaulting Jim in the workplace; and Michael's former love interest—and former Vice President for Regional Sales for Dunder Mifflin -- Jan Levinson, who broke up with Michael in season four and subsequently became pregnant via sperm donation. Both characters returned for brief appearances in season five, but neither was seen in the sixth.

Half of the things that you have highlighted here are mere mentionings of two people being in a relationship. I'm not sure how that's sinful. The first couple mentioned get married and have a baby.

There is a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ character but he never prostelytizes about it. It's more or less there as something that he gets ragged on for.

Again, I just think it's a little much when people condemn others for watching a television show which they've never seen and have little evidence to back themselves up.

Why would God approve of a show that has gαy characters in it? Should someone watch a tv show that has a Satan worshiper in it just because he never talks about worshipping Satan? It's now official: The Office should be avoided AT ALL COSTS.

If you're going to avoid anything which has an immoral character (despite even whether they are shown in a positive or negative light) then you certainly can't watch Shakespeare, Little House on the Prairie, It's a Wonderful Life, or even movies about Fatima, Lourdes, and the life of our Lord.

Not the same thing, not what he is saying and you know it...thanks, thoug, for giving some here a glimpse of the moral relativism that goes on at FE....open ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not proper for TV and those other shows/movies you noted, notice how there is always a right and wrong and right wins out in the end? Not so in the Office type programs, that are used to inundate us all with immoral programming of acceptance of sodomy, etc,etc..

again, thanks for showing some here that have never posted at FE the moral relativism and lack of Catholicism that often passes there!!!

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Walty, I forgot to mention in my post that I was not referring to your avatar or your television show specifically, but was just answering the question you asked about whether it was okay to have avatars from TV shows. But now that you ask, if the television show your avatar represents is sinful, then it would be scandalous to use it because it would remind others of the sins in the show and would make people think you watch and enjoy a sinful show.

I have never watched the office, so I cannot say if it is sinful or not, but I will try to answer your question anyway. If there are  actresses dressed immodestly on the show and you look at them with lust, you could be guilty of mortal sin, if there are any dirty jokes and you laugh at them and you continue watching the show knowing that there will be more dirty jokes, you may be guilty of mortal sin. If there is any blasphemy or use of the Lord's name in vain and you laugh and continue to watch the show despite the blasphemy or use of the Lord's name in vain, you could be guilty of mortal sin. If any of the characters hold any erroneous opinions or have bad morals, and you are influenced by these erroneous opinions and bad morals, endangering your faith, and you continue to watch the show, you may be guilty of mortal sin. If there are immoral characters who commit sins or pretend to commit sins on or off the screen and you sympathize with them and vicariously enjoy these real or simulated sins you may be guilty of mortal sin. Of course, I have never seen the show so I do not know if it has any of these elements or not.

You cannot condemn entertainment which involves sinful characters.  What is important is how that sin is portrayed.  Are we morally obliged to steer clear of Shakespeare?

actually, Gerry Matatics would say yes, avoid Shakespeare, he feels it is a Trojan Horse to push poor morals and was a part of the attack on the Church in 16th C England....

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I forgot to clear St Luke-- the one Gospel writer who was not a Judaic.


trad-- are U a converso?

I'm not ethnically Jєωιѕн, I'm Polish. I've never read a biography of St. Luke, I assumed he was of Jєωιѕн descent. I just looked through my volumes of Butler's Lives of the Saints and I couldn't find St. Luke in any of the indexes. If he was Greek I was merely unaware of that fact.

ask Roscoe what is his burn with who a jew is or not...was not Mary,Christ, peter all jews?

in his Ganjaism, does he now subscribe to Rastafarianism??

I am pretty familiar with FE, FWIW.  I was there for a while, making a few thousand posts, most of which are in a folder that is now in the archives.  Vox, with whom I never had a bad experience, told me that I simply did not harmonize with the direction she wanted to take the site.  C'est la vie.

Be here, be there, be at both, drop them both...no biggie.  Pax tecuм.

as I was opposed to the Neocon NWO agenda, was ridiculed and laughed at, most there are happy to bomb and attack anyone that Pax Americana has lablled dangerous.

Despite having pro_distributist articles at FE, when I tried to promote that view and post in response to objections to that view, wa attacked, harangued and told by Joe it was my pet project-or something like that-and was told too bad, so sad..while said attackers went on, uncorrected nor banned,etc..

I also was not popular for promoting a Catholic Social Order, as teh US of A was God;s gem, apparently..

I could, Walty, tell you much more, but why bother, it is over and done with....if interested, you could look at my first few months worth of psots here and conversations w/Stevus and GV, both that cured me of my FE bug.....

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I have never seen the show but from the little I have read about it, it does not look like a suitable show to me. Considering that The Office is a modern tv comedy show and not a Shakespearean morality tale, I would be very surprised if there are not more problems with it besides those indicated here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Office_(U.S._TV_series)
Michael Scott, regional manager of the Scranton branch of the Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, feels he is the life of the office; his employees feel otherwise. His former co-manager, sales representative Jim Halpert is newly married to the former receptionist turned sales representative, Pam Halpert (née Beesly). Their relationship comes after three seasons of friendship laced with romantic tension.

The accounting department features the uptight Angela Martin, who wishes to keep things orderly and make sure situations remain as serious as possible; Kevin Malone, a sardonic, overweight man who revels in juvenile humor and is addicted to gambling and M&Ms; and the patient Oscar Martinez, whose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Mexican American heritage make him a favorite target for Michael's off-hand comments. ...

 A story arc at the start of the fifth season has Holly Flax transferred to the office as Toby's replacement. She acts as a love interest for Michael, as they share very similar personalities. However, Holly is transferred away after corporate discovers that Michael and Holly are involved, resulting in their break up.

Former main characters no longer part of the show include Pam's ex-fiance, Roy Anderson, who left the show in the third season after nearly assaulting Jim in the workplace; and Michael's former love interest—and former Vice President for Regional Sales for Dunder Mifflin -- Jan Levinson, who broke up with Michael in season four and subsequently became pregnant via sperm donation. Both characters returned for brief appearances in season five, but neither was seen in the sixth.

Half of the things that you have highlighted here are mere mentionings of two people being in a relationship. I'm not sure how that's sinful. The first couple mentioned get married and have a baby.

There is a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ character but he never prostelytizes about it. It's more or less there as something that he gets ragged on for.

Again, I just think it's a little much when people condemn others for watching a television show which they've never seen and have little evidence to back themselves up.

Why would God approve of a show that has gαy characters in it? Should someone watch a tv show that has a Satan worshiper in it just because he never talks about worshipping Satan? It's now official: The Office should be avoided AT ALL COSTS.

If you're going to avoid anything which has an immoral character (despite even whether they are shown in a positive or negative light) then you certainly can't watch Shakespeare, Little House on the Prairie, It's a Wonderful Life, or even movies about Fatima, Lourdes, and the life of our Lord.

Not the same thing, not what he is saying and you know it...thanks, thoug, for giving some here a glimpse of the moral relativism that goes on at FE....open ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not proper for TV and those other shows/movies you noted, notice how there is always a right and wrong and right wins out in the end? Not so in the Office type programs, that are used to inundate us all with immoral programming of acceptance of sodomy, etc,etc..

again, thanks for showing some here that have never posted at FE the moral relativism and lack of Catholicism that often passes there!!!

This is absolutely ridiculous.  Nowhere in this post or anywhere have I espoused moral relativism (something that I abhor).  There may indeed be a difference between The Office and Shakespeare from a moral standpoint (and there is), but I was trying to suss out exactly what this other poster's issue with the show was.  He claims that you cannot watch anything with an immoral character and Shakespeare is a great example of entertainment which shows immorality in a satirical or admonishing sort of way, thus promoting a Christian worldview.

This is the type of sanctimoniousness that makes FE seem appealing to many trads.  There is much less of jumping to conclusions there.  I have hardly begun posting here before claims about my personal morality and philosophy are thrown around without a care in the world.  

Are you really positive that I'm espousing moral relativism?  Why risk the calumny until one knows for sure?

I do still post at FE.  And I remember many of your threads.  For some reason, many did not take well to you over there.  And I'm not sure why because I remember liking the things you posted quite often.

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Again, I just think it's a little much when people condemn others for watching a television show which they've never seen and have little evidence to back themselves up.

Did someone condemn you here? Or is a show being condemned?

 

Some people there you can tell aren't Traditional just by looking at their avatars. Really avatar pictures from The Office tv show?

Again, I really don't care what certain people think of my avatar.  What was annoying, however, is how people will look at one thing (one avatar, a poster etc.) and deduce that a whole group of people are somehow less Catholic because of it.  

There does appear to be a serious bias against FE and anyone who comes from there with anything but the harshest words for it.  And I simply think that's unfair.

Again, I came here to discuss not only this, but also other issues.  I just think it would be too bad if myself or anyone else wasn't given a fair shake at the forum simply because they like FE.

I just think it's a little much when people condemn others for watching a television show which they've never seen and have little evidence to back themselves up.

No, I did not read this entire exchange...

FWIW, condemning a show is not the same as condemning those who watch it.

Carry on...