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Peter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 22, 2018, 05:49:02 PM »

Maybe it’s it’s Byzcath.com; not sure. But the Society of St. Josaphat have been using the Liturgy that the Ukrainian Catholic Church has been using for centuries. They call such things as devotion to the Sacred Heart, Stations of the Cross, Holy Rosary, the theology of Thomism, kneeling, using a dead liturgical language i.e. Church Slavonic, as Latinisms.

Note that many of these changes (a so-called return to pre-synod of Zamosc) came under the conciliar popes and the same hierarchs they appointed. The Society of St. Josaphat is continuing the pre-VII Tradition which was extended into Ukraine into the 1990s because of the Iron Curtain. If the members of the forum in question are saying that the Society had changed the Liturgy from what they received then they are simply lying.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2018, 06:17:09 PM »

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Something to look out for at Orthodox churches is their longstanding opposition to miracles recognized by the Roman Church.
I spoke to some Coptics (Egypt) who assured me that NO ONE can EVER receive the marks of the crucifixion of Jesus on his body.
I attempted to describe the stigmata of Padre Pio and they appeared to be entirely unfamiliar with the word, "stigmata."
I described some of his miracles and they stood there shaking their heads in disbelief.
But let them describe miracles in their own tradition, and they fully expect us to believe them.
When I showed no incredulity to their own retelling of miracles, it had no effect on their non-acceptance of my testimony.
I had no problem accepting their stories but they stubbornly refused to accept any of mine.
They were hard-set against recognizing any miracles outside of the Coptic tradition.
Seems to be a ONE-WAY STREET.
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Croix de Fer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2018, 09:28:02 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2018, 10:33:44 AM

I believe that the Ukrainian Catholics were spared the ravages of V2 by God ... because this mercy was purchased through the deaths of the millions of Catholic martyrs they had under Stalin.

And the Jew, Lazar Kaganovich.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2018, 10:08:16 PM »

Quote from: Peter on March 22, 2018, 05:49:02 PM

They call such things as devotion to the Sacred Heart, Stations of the Cross, Holy Rosary, the theology of Thomism, kneeling, using a dead liturgical language i.e. Church Slavonic, as Latinisms.

I immediately decided not to ever attend the Syro-Malabar rite after visiting one of their websites and seeing images of Mother Theresa (I think the mission chose her as their patron).

If I had visited the UGCC site and seen pictures of the Divine Mercy devotion, I would never have visited their mission. In fact, when I confirmed they had valid orders and then saw they openly criticize Bergoglio, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and liberals I believed they would be truly orthodox Catholics.

Could you imagine walking into a Divine Liturgy and seeing Divine Mercy images instead of icons? I would run away fast.

What is the Society of St. Josephat's official website (and apparently magazine) doing promoting the Divine Mercy devotions? They apparently think it's some sort of "Latinism" that will make them be Traditional Catholics?

Fail.

Case by case basis, folks.

https://www.saintjosaphat.org/hkt/2016/5/

Centroamerica · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2018, 10:15:50 PM »

Apparently, the Society of St. Josephat is real big into the Divine Mercy devotion and JP2's Faustina and feasts and all that.

From what I've seen (which is very superficial and only scratching the surface), I would pick the UGCC over them. The Liturgy in Old Church Slavonic would be great, unless they had Divine Mercy posters floating around...not knowing what to think.

https://www.saintjosaphat.org/hkt/2016/5/article/bozhe-myloserdya/

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