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Re: First time Eastern Liturgy
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2018, 10:27:31 PM »
And the SSJ is in favor of that because they don't want to admit it, but the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Divine Liturgy and the Russian Orthodox Divine Liturgy are the exact same, just added references to the Pope.

Re: First time Eastern Liturgy
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2018, 10:47:38 PM »
Hi Centroamerica

I agree, that is certainly a problem. I knew about this and I wondered why they would promote this when their benefactors, the  SSPX, were strongly against this false devotion (I’m not sure now?). It’s unfortunately a “devotion” among most Ukrainian Catholics in western Ukraine (be they Society of St. Josaphat or not). But that still doesn’t take away from the fact that “most” in the Ukrainian hierarchy have embraced the errors of Vatican II. 
I agree it’s a case by case basis for choosing where to attend Holy Mass/Divine Liturgy . But from what I’ve seen in Eastern Europe, they (Society of St. Josaphat) are certainly the safest course. The danger of recognizing such men as JPII or Francis as one’s proximate rule of Faith is wreaking havoc in the Eastern Rites and I think the only reason that they have left the Divine Liturgy relatively unchanged (unlike the Novus Ordo) is an eventual schism to “Orthodoxy”. Many Ukrainian theologians are already discussing a “dual form” of Communion between Rome and Constantinople and Met. Shevchuk has at least hinted that this is the direction that the UGCC is headed. Many others have explicitly endorsed this above model. 

There was an article on Rorate Caeli a few years back (click here) but I can give you more recent references if you like. 


Re: First time Eastern Liturgy
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2018, 04:59:15 AM »
The society of st j are the n violation of at least 4 canons of the Ukrainian/Ruthenian treaty of Brest.

1-  article 2 liturgy is to be in our own language (slavonic is mentioned later, slavonic is the vernacular for Ruthenian people, Ukrainian is the vernacular for Ukrainians) Eastern liturgy is normally in the vernacular.

2-  article 7 specifically mentions no Corpus Christi festival other articles mention no filioque, etc. No Romanism basically

3-  articles 15 no leaving our jurisdiction to join Rome, #30 if we suspend a priest you can not accept him.

Re: First time Eastern Liturgy
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2018, 01:44:06 PM »
And the SSJ is in favor of that because they don't want to admit it, but the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Divine Liturgy and the Russian Orthodox Divine Liturgy are the exact same, just added references to the Pope.
I forgot to add to this - it should be the "Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Divine Liturgy as celebrated today"

Re: First time Eastern Liturgy
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2018, 07:13:58 PM »
The nearby Coptic Catholic priest gave me a call today. They are having a two and a half hour Palm Sunday Mass in the Coptic Rite this Sunday. Thinking seriously about changing travel plans for Mass so I can go.