Author Topic: First Mass of Francis in Usa (Read 3227 times)

Ursus · « **on:** September 23, 2015, 05:24:30 PM »

Thought id start a topic. Watching with the family.

Any thoughts on the mass or canonization?

Charlemagne · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2015, 05:59:29 PM »

Yes, both are illicit and/or invalid.

ihsv · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2015, 06:20:16 PM »

Miseremini · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2015, 07:16:37 PM »

Just read on AOL news he canonized WITHOUT proof of miracles.
ALso the missionary establish missions in California in the 18th century when in fact many were already established in the late 1600's by Missionary and Explorer. Father Eusebio Francisco Kino, S. J., (Aug. 10, 1645 - March 15, 1711)
You might remember Father Kino from the movie Padre on Horseback from the 1970's On DVD it's call The Father Kino Story

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2015, 08:04:25 PM »

Since Francis gives communion in the hand. I wonder how many hosts
ended up on the ground, and taken away to a satanic sacrifice.
Perhaps we will see posted pictures on the web.

Here are photos taken in Grant's Park Chicago in 1959.

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2015, 08:29:08 PM »

Quote from: Miseremini

Just read on AOL news he canonized WITHOUT proof of miracles.

Bergoglio has done this before though I don't remember who it was. I really doesn't make sense for Conciliarists to insist on miracles since they don't believe in miracles to begin with.

Miseremini · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2015, 09:52:44 PM »

Has any pre Vat II Pope ever conducted a canonization outside Rome?

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 23, 2015, 10:32:23 PM »

Quote from: Miseremini

Has any pre Vat II Pope ever conducted a canonization outside Rome?

NO, Unheard of.

poche · « **Reply #8 on:** September 23, 2015, 11:28:10 PM »

Quote from: Miseremini

Just read on AOL news he canonized WITHOUT proof of miracles.
ALso the missionary establish missions in California in the 18th century when in fact many were already established in the late 1600's by Missionary and Explorer. Father Eusebio Francisco Kino, S. J., (Aug. 10, 1645 - March 15, 1711)
You might remember Father Kino from the movie Padre on Horseback from the 1970's On DVD it's call The Father Kino Story

Those which were establishded by Fr Kino were in what is now New Mexico, and Arizona.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2015, 10:02:12 AM »

Hey, let's not get into denigrating Father Serra out of contempt for Francis, eh?

Miseremini · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2015, 10:40:41 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Miseremini
Just read on AOL news he canonized WITHOUT proof of miracles.
ALso the missionary establish missions in California in the 18th century when in fact many were already established in the late 1600's by Missionary and Explorer. Father Eusebio Francisco Kino, S. J., (Aug. 10, 1645 - March 15, 1711)
You might remember Father Kino from the movie Padre on Horseback from the 1970's On DVD it's call The Father Kino Story

Those which were establishded by Fr Kino were in what is now New Mexico, and Arizona.

Yes he did establish missions in NM and Arizona but he also did in California as it was he who discovered that Baja was attached to and part of the mainland.

Miseremini · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2015, 10:46:50 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Hey, let's not get into denigrating Father Serra out of contempt for Francis, eh?

I have absolutely no wish to denigrate Father Serra as I know absolutely nothing about him other than the fact that yesterday native americans in California protested the canonization. Their history must have taught them something.

I only wished to give credit where credit was due to Father Kino.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2015, 12:13:20 PM »

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RomanCatholic1953

Miseremini said:
Has any pre Vat II Pope ever conducted a canonization outside Rome?

NO, Unheard of.

Avignon, France

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Pontificate of Pope Clement V
5 May 1313Pope Celestine V (a.k.a. Peter Celestine)

Pontificate of Pope John XXII
7 April 1317Louis of Toulouse
17 April 1320Thomas de Cantilupe
18 July 1323Thomas Aquinas

Pontificate of Pope Clement VI
26 June 1347Ivo of Kermartin
19 September 1351Robert de Turlande

Pontificate of Pope Urban V
15 April 1370
Elzéar of Sabran
UnknownCalamanda of Calaf

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2015, 12:35:04 PM »

Quote from: confederate catholic

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RomanCatholic1953

Miseremini said:
Has any pre Vat II Pope ever conducted a canonization outside Rome?

NO, Unheard of.

Avignon, France

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Pontificate of Pope Clement V
5 May 1313Pope Celestine V (a.k.a. Peter Celestine)

Pontificate of Pope John XXII
7 April 1317Louis of Toulouse
17 April 1320Thomas de Cantilupe
18 July 1323Thomas Aquinas

Pontificate of Pope Clement VI
26 June 1347Ivo of Kermartin
19 September 1351Robert de Turlande

Pontificate of Pope Urban V
15 April 1370
Elzéar of Sabran
UnknownCalamanda of Calaf

Thanks

They were done at Avignon which was the seat of the Papacy for
67 years because of too much turmoil in Rome.
The Council of Constance in 1417 disposed of John XXIII, and Benedict XIII.
If someone can do further research if a canonization was done outside
Rome and France?
Francis did this on his own without proofs of miracles in a largely
Catholic in name only and a truly now a non Catholic Country.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2015, 12:38:58 PM »

Where the canonizations take place isn't of the essence of course; there's nothing that says they must be done at the Roman See. Had St. Pius X canonized someone in the US, would that not have been valid or binding as a result?