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Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on October 30, 2014, 01:23:36 AM
 Pope Francis spoke out against oppression of the poor due to greed and warned again of the growing presence of a “globalization of indifference” – a warning, he said, which has wrongly type-casted him.  

“It is not possible to tackle poverty by promoting containment strategies to merely reassure, rendering the poor 'domesticated,' harmless and passive,” the Pope told those gathered for his Oct. 28 encounter with leaders of various Church movements.

He called the basic needs for land, housing and work an “aspiration that should be within the reach of all but which we sadly see is increasingly unavailable to the majority.”  

“It's strange, but if I talk about this, there are those who think that the Pope is Communist,” he said.

“The fact that the love for the poor is in the center of the gospel is misunderstood,” the Pope added. “Those (values) for which you’re fighting for are sacred rights. It’s the Church’s social doctrine.”

Held in the Vatican's Old Synod Hall, where previous synods took place before the construction of the Paul VI Hall, the meeting was organized by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace in collaboration with the Pontifical Academy for Social Sciences, along with the leaders of various movements.

Solidarity, the Pope observed in his speech, is a word that is often forgotten in today’s society, and which extends far beyond sporadic acts of generosity.

Instead it requires thinking in communal terms, and includes fighting structural causes of poverty such as inequality, unemployment, lack of land and housing, and the denial of social and labor rights, he said. It also requires facing the destructive effects of the “empire of money” such as forced displacement, painful migration, human trafficking, drugs, war and violence.

“Today the phenomenon of exploitation and oppression assumes a new dimension, a graphical and hard edge of social injustice,” the Pope noted, explaining that this “throwaway culture” makes it so that those who are unable to integrate are marginalized and discarded as “cast-offs.”

Situations such as this arise when economic systems make money their god and put it at the heart of their work rather than centering on the human person, created in the image of God, the pontiff continued.

He then turned his attention to the phenomenon of unemployment, saying that each person who works, whether part of the formal system of paid work or not, “has the right to fair remuneration, social security and a pension.”

These people, the pontiff noted, include those who recycle waste, street vendors, garment makers, craftsmen, fishermen, farmers, builders, miners, workers in companies in receivership, cooperatives and common trades which are often excluded from employment rights and denied the option of forming trades unions, as well as those who don’t receive a stable or sufficient income.

“I wish to unite my voice to theirs and to accompany them in their struggle,” Pope Francis said.

On the theme of peace and ecology, the Pope said that it is not possible to pursue land, housing or work if we can’t maintain the planet, or if we destroy it.

“Creation is not our property which we may exploit as we please, (and) even less so the property of the few,” he explained, saying that instead creation is a gift from God that we must care for and use for the good of all humanity with respect and gratitude.

Pope Francis went on to question those present in the audience, asking why, instead of viewing the world as our gift and fighting for justice, do we instead see work taken away, families evicted, peasants expelled from their land, war and harm done to nature.

“Because this system has removed humanity from the center and replaced it with something else! Because of the idolatrous worship of money! Because of the globalization of indifference – ‘what does it matter to me what happens to others, I'll defend myself,’” the Pope explained.

The world, said the pontiff, has forgotten God and so become “an orphan” because it has turned away from him.

However, Christians have been given a strong guide and “revolutionary program” for how to act, which can be found in the Beatitudes, the Bishop of Rome noted, and encouraged all to read them.

Pope Francis emphasized the importance of walking together, saying that popular movements express urgent need of revitalizing our democracies, which “so often (are) hijacked by many factors.”

“It is impossible to imagine a future for society without the active participation of the majority, and this role extends beyond the logical procedures of formal democracy,” he said.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-fighting-for-the-poor-doesnt-make-me-communist-it-makes-me-catholic-99088/
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on October 30, 2014, 05:29:43 AM
Actually, since when did Communists really care about the poor any way?
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: ThomisticPhilosopher on October 30, 2014, 10:23:09 AM
Geremia, and I have spoken about the topic of liars. Here a few links. Later on once I get more set in my workflow, I will go over this topic very deep.

Essentially this has to do with the liar's paradox which has been a little of a philosophical conundrum. Aristotle gave his own answer, St. Thomas solved it partially in my estimation and some other's have also.

Lots of post modern philosophers have created crazy metaphysical systems in order to answer the question.

Now you might ask yourself, what does anything I just said have to do with this!

This has a little bit to do with the Wathenite positions, once a Catholic always a Catholic. So if you have a heretic such as bergoglio saying, I am an apostate. Many sedeplenist's would be ridiculous enough to retort, "Well he is not speaking infallibly, when he says this!"

http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/16207/how-did-aristotle-or-st-thomas-resolve-the-liars-paradox/16243#16243

Here is another interesting read for those who have the time and patience to do it (I read it all). http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liar-paradox/

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The paradox is sometimes called the ‘Epimenides paradox’ as the tradition attributes a sentence like the first one in this essay to Epimenides of Crete, who is reputed to have said that all Cretans are always liars.

...Indeed, the Liar seems to allow us to reach such conclusions on the basis of logic, plus some very obvious principles that have sometimes been counted as principles of logic. Thus, we have the rather surprising situation of something near or like logic alone leading us to incoherence. This is perhaps the most virulent strain of paradox, and dealing with it has been an important task in logic for about as long as there has been logic.

...The Liar paradox begins with a language containing a truth predicate, which obeys some form of capture and release.



Some scripture that talks about the paradox, in an indirect way. Just a brief reference, its not that important to the subject at hand.

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Romans 3:4
But God is true; and every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mayest be justified in thy words, and mayest overcome when thou art judged.


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Psalm 115: [11] I said in my excess: Every man is a liar. [12] What shall I render to the Lord, for all the things he hath rendered unto me?


Lastly, there is some Church teaching that goes over how to be able to spot a liar, and know the intent of a person based on their own words. I will also go over this later on, it is not necessary to mind read. Some of sacramental theology in fact is based on this very premise for the form of the words, constitutes to the Church as a crucial part of the intent necessary to give valid sacraments.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on October 30, 2014, 11:43:23 PM
This has a little bit to do with the Wathenite positions, once a Catholic always a Catholic. So if you have a heretic such as bergoglio saying, I am an apostate. Many sedeplenist's would be ridiculous enough to retort, "Well he is not speaking infallibly, when he says this!"

When has Pope Francis ever said those words?
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on October 30, 2014, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: ThomisticPhilosopher
Geremia, and I have spoken about the topic of liars. Here a few links. Later on once I get more set in my workflow, I will go over this topic very deep.

Essentially this has to do with the liar's paradox which has been a little of a philosophical conundrum. Aristotle gave his own answer, St. Thomas solved it partially in my estimation and some other's have also.

Lots of post modern philosophers have created crazy metaphysical systems in order to answer the question.

Now you might ask yourself, what does anything I just said have to do with this!

This has a little bit to do with the Wathenite positions, once a Catholic always a Catholic. So if you have a heretic such as bergoglio saying, I am an apostate. Many sedeplenist's would be ridiculous enough to retort, "Well he is not speaking infallibly, when he says this!"

http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/16207/how-did-aristotle-or-st-thomas-resolve-the-liars-paradox/16243#16243

Here is another interesting read for those who have the time and patience to do it (I read it all). http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liar-paradox/

Quote
The paradox is sometimes called the ‘Epimenides paradox’ as the tradition attributes a sentence like the first one in this essay to Epimenides of Crete, who is reputed to have said that all Cretans are always liars.

...Indeed, the Liar seems to allow us to reach such conclusions on the basis of logic, plus some very obvious principles that have sometimes been counted as principles of logic. Thus, we have the rather surprising situation of something near or like logic alone leading us to incoherence. This is perhaps the most virulent strain of paradox, and dealing with it has been an important task in logic for about as long as there has been logic.

...The Liar paradox begins with a language containing a truth predicate, which obeys some form of capture and release.



Some scripture that talks about the paradox, in an indirect way. Just a brief reference, its not that important to the subject at hand.

Quote
Romans 3:4
But God is true; and every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mayest be justified in thy words, and mayest overcome when thou art judged.


Quote
Psalm 115: [11] I said in my excess: Every man is a liar. [12] What shall I render to the Lord, for all the things he hath rendered unto me?


Lastly, there is some Church teaching that goes over how to be able to spot a liar, and know the intent of a person based on their own words. I will also go over this later on, it is not necessary to mind read. Some of sacramental theology in fact is based on this very premise for the form of the words, constitutes to the Church as a crucial part of the intent necessary to give valid sacraments.

What doese any of this have to do with fighting for the poor?
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on October 30, 2014, 11:52:18 PM
Actually there is along tradition in the Catholic Church of preocupation for the welfare of the poor, St Wenceslaus, St Elizabeth of Hungary, St Margaret of Scotland, Pope St Gregory the Great, St John Chrysostom, the list goes on.  
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: Stubborn on October 31, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
.........According to Liberalism, it is in loving one's neighbor that one
loves God according to the direction of St. John: "For he that loveth
not his brother, whom he seeth, how can he love God, whom he seeth
not?" (I Jn. 4:20). Taking these and similar quotations out of their
context in the Scriptures, the New Charity-mongers have cast aside all
theological principles, doctrinal and moral, and have determined that
nothing else matters but the provisioning of the poor and needy; and
that the Christian must finally realize that all ideological considerations
are subordinate to this Scriptural command, so that he and all
others might unite in this work. The human race is divided into two
groups, those in need, and those who should be taking care of them;
or, to put it as the Marxists do, the "haves-nots" and the "haves."

As these lovers of mankind see it, such is the urgency of the
problem, that all other considerations must give way to it, and anyone
who does not see things in this way is himself "a part of the problem."
In their view, until the Second Vatican Council, the Church and its
clergy proceeded piously to ignore the world's poor, while it
befriended the wealthy and condoned the baneful evil of capitalism,
and the priests condemned the honest efforts of all those who tried to
do something about social injustice, calling them all "do-gooders,"
Liberals, socialists, and Communists. While a great part of the
world's population went hungry, the Church continued to amass
wealth, and continued to exert itself toward the defense of the status
quo. It allowed itself to become the tool of capitalism and "reactionism."
It assigned its priests and religious to the instruction of the
"haves," while it closed its eyes to the way its own children
perpetuated oppression and exploitation.

As Liberal Catholics see it, it is only since the Second Vatican
Council that the Church has begun to awaken somewhat to its true
role on earth, namely, the love and defence and service of the poor
and downtrodden, and cooperation with everyone and every agency
which shows itself to be sensitive to this world-wide problem, not
excluding International Communism-which deserves credit for
having called the attention of the world to this great cause, and
instigating the Revolution of the Proletariat, the poor. Furthermore,
instead of protecting itself, the Church should allow itself to be
renewed by the Theology of Liberation, which seeks to adapt the positive
aspects of Marxism to Christianity.

In the eyes of Liberals, what the world needs, and all that the
world needs, is  "love, sweet love." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVgJx7KW60) The only theology the Church
needs, the only message it needs have for the world, is the true and
only message that Jesus had for the world, "love thy neighbor." Even
to differ with this view of things is to excuse all the callousness and
greed, self-interest and hypocrisy of our modern capitalistic society.
True love includes all justice, all mercy, and all other virtues. Indeed,
it can be said that love is the norm for all men, Christians and non-
Christians; it is all-sufficient, so that there is no need for any more
talk; now is the time for action. And the action that is needed is the
mobilization of the whole world for the sake of the have-nots: all
governments, all agencies, all religious denominations, and all
religious communities and associations within these denominations.

Thus do Liberals reason, and since they now control the Catholic
Church, their reasoning has become the theology and dominant motif
of the Conciliar Establishment. ..........

This snip is by Fr. Wathen, from his book; Who Shall Ascend?




Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 01:22:13 AM
St Martin de Porres was another saint who very much loved the poor.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: OHCA on November 03, 2014, 03:41:02 AM
Quote from: poche
"It's strange, but if I talk about this, there are those who think that the Pope is Communist,” he said.


Maybe it's because you got long-winded and starry-eyed in discussing seeing elements of communism in the Church in your interview with your atheist chum...

Quote from: Poche
Instead it requires thinking in communal terms...


Excuse me, Frank--there's that root-word again...

Quote from: Poche
...and includes fighting structural causes of poverty such as inequality, unemployment, lack of land and housing, and the denial of social and labor rights...


Inequality?  Code for supporting race-mixing, knocking down gender boundaries, etc. modernist/liberal/freemasonic/communist bullshit.

Quote from: Poche
He then turned his attention to the phenomenon of unemployment, saying that each person who works, whether part of the formal system of paid work or not, “has the right to . . . social security and a pension.”


Really?

Quote from: Poche
These people, the pontiff noted, include those who recycle waste, street vendors, garment makers, craftsmen, fishermen, farmers, builders, miners, workers in companies in receivership, cooperatives and common trades which are often excluded from employment rights and denied the option of forming trades unions, as well as those who don’t receive a stable or sufficient income.


I really don't think you wanted to omit drug-dealers and whores...

Did your handlers make you leave them out, Frank?

Quote from: Poche
The world, said the pontiff, has forgotten God and so become “an orphan” because it has turned away from him.


But who are you to judge, Frank?

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Nice try, Poche.  At least His Humbleness gave lip-service to implying that he is not a communist.  I think his rhetoric still gives him away though.

On a brighter note, your ratings may be on the climb, Poche--I am out of down-thumbs for you, and I expect several others are too.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 04:14:08 AM
poche said:
"It's strange, but if I talk about this, there are those who think that the Pope is Communist,” he said.


Maybe it's because you got long-winded and starry-eyed in discussing seeing elements of communism in the Church in your interview with your atheist chum...

Could it be that there are some elements in communism that coincide with Christianity?
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 04:23:47 AM
Poche said:
Instead it requires thinking in communal terms...


Excuse me, Frank--there's that root-word again...

It is also the root of the word, "common good" which was taught by pope Leo XIII in his encyclical Rerum Novarum.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 04:47:59 AM
Poche said:
...and includes fighting structural causes of poverty such as inequality, unemployment, lack of land and housing, and the denial of social and labor rights...


Inequality?  Code for supporting race-mixing, knocking down gender boundaries, etc. modernist/liberal/freemasonic/communist bull####.

equality before teh law may be something that we take for granted but it has not always been available for everybody.
Lack of land/housing - hisorically  in Latin America the lack of land comes from a long history of unjust expropriation of land from the indigenous peoples and giving it over to a very few who were able to live very comfortably while large numbers of people do without That is not fair. Justice is one of the cardinal virtues.
Denial of social and labor rights once again is a matter of cheating some people out of what is fair. once again, going against justice is going against one of the cardinal virtues.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 04:49:37 AM
Poche said:
He then turned his attention to the phenomenon of unemployment, saying that each person who works, whether part of the formal system of paid work or not, “has the right to . . . social security and a pension.”


Really?

Poche said:
These people, the pontiff noted, include those who recycle waste, street vendors, garment makers, craftsmen, fishermen, farmers, builders, miners, workers in companies in receivership, cooperatives and common trades which are often excluded from employment rights and denied the option of forming trades unions, as well as those who don’t receive a stable or sufficient income.


I really don't think you wanted to omit drug-dealers and whores...

Did your handlers make you leave them out, Frank?

Pope Francis said nothing about prostitution. With respect t drug dealing, Pope francis said that members of the mafia ( that applies to drug dealers) are excommunicated.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 04:52:41 AM
Poche said:
The world, said the pontiff, has forgotten God and so become “an orphan” because it has turned away from him.


But who are you to judge, Frank?

--------

Nice try, Poche.  At least His Humbleness gave lip-service to implying that he is not a communist.  I think his rhetoric still gives him away though.

On a brighter note, your ratings may be on the climb, Poche--I am out of down-thumbs for you, and I expect several others are too.

When the Pope talks about the world forgettnig god he is paraphrasing the message of Fatima. The Holy Virgin warned that if people did not repent another more terrible war would come, nations would be annihilated. We forget God at our peril. There will be a terrible day of judgement.  
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: Capt McQuigg on November 03, 2014, 01:16:14 PM
The question I want to see answered is whether Pope Francis thinks communism is a good thing.

Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 03, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
The question I want to see answered is whether Pope Francis thinks communism is a good thing.


I think he puts it on the same scale as doctrinaire darwinian capitalism.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: Capt McQuigg on November 05, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
The question I want to see answered is whether Pope Francis thinks communism is a good thing.


I think he puts it on the same scale as doctrinaire darwinian capitalism.


Then he would show a lack of discernment and judgement on a grave scale.

Capitalism brings profits and good material benefits.  Spiritual benefits were never given by any economic system so that's a moot point.

Communism denies God, denies God's greatest creation (which is man) by reducing man to a mere tool and sometimes communist countries decide to mass murder people in the millions but never brings material benefits.  

So-called "Darwinian Capitalism" doesn't exist and isn't a form of government.  It's nothing more than an empty slogan made up by people who agitate for government largesse by stirring up envy in the weak.  In "capitalist" countries, there is a large amount of government funds set aside to help people who either are poor or are just grifters and it helps them to the tune of billions of dollars per year in food subsidies and housing subsidies.  

I just remembered that the Vatican rented out the Sistine Chapel to some wealthy businessmen for a secular gathering so when push comes to shove, Pope Francis is going to look for the side of the bread where the butter is found.

The question remains as to why Pope Francis attaches the concept of "good" with "communism".  Poche, why?
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: songbird on November 05, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
St. Vincent De Paul in their manual, never mentioned about feeding the poor!  No, in fact they went door-to-door asking if those living there had their sacraments and/or transportation needed to get sacraments.

So, this pope for the poor, is communistic, for that is their way to dress up the shop window.  Looks good, but, who mentioned soul?  Now that would be Catholic!
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: Cantarella on November 05, 2014, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: poche
Actually there is along tradition in the Catholic Church of preocupation for the welfare of the poor, St Wenceslaus, St Elizabeth of Hungary, St Margaret of Scotland, Pope St Gregory the Great, St John Chrysostom, the list goes on.  


Yes, but not a the expense of forgetting the primary goal of the Church which is the salvation of souls in a supernatural sense. What we see today comes from the ideas of Atheistic Communism and is basically Humanism without God. The love of neighbor replaces the love of God in a naturalistic society. It is nothing but secular philanthropy.

What separates the authentic Catholic Social Doctrine from the communist Church "for the poor"of the conciliar Popes after the masonic take -over?: the former is centered on Jesus Christ, the Divine Redeemer of the world from all its social ills. The later, on the other hand, focuses on the earthly needs of "modern man" and, as the Revolution demands, relate "all things on earth" to "man as their center and crown".

Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 05, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
The question I want to see answered is whether Pope Francis thinks communism is a good thing.


I think he puts it on the same scale as doctrinaire darwinian capitalism.


Then he would show a lack of discernment and judgement on a grave scale.

Capitalism brings profits and good material benefits.  Spiritual benefits were never given by any economic system so that's a moot point.

Communism denies God, denies God's greatest creation (which is man) by reducing man to a mere tool and sometimes communist countries decide to mass murder people in the millions but never brings material benefits.  

So-called "Darwinian Capitalism" doesn't exist and isn't a form of government.  It's nothing more than an empty slogan made up by people who agitate for government largesse by stirring up envy in the weak.  In "capitalist" countries, there is a large amount of government funds set aside to help people who either are poor or are just grifters and it helps them to the tune of billions of dollars per year in food subsidies and housing subsidies.  

I just remembered that the Vatican rented out the Sistine Chapel to some wealthy businessmen for a secular gathering so when push comes to shove, Pope Francis is going to look for the side of the bread where the butter is found.

The question remains as to why Pope Francis attaches the concept of "good" with "communism".  Poche, why?

He is refering back to Pope Leo's encyclical, Rerum Novarum.
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 11, 2014, 01:19:45 AM
St Martin of Tours;
St. Martin was born (c. 316) at Sabaria, a town in Pannonia near the famous Benedictine monastery dedicated to his name. Against the wishes of his parents he associated with Christians and became a catechumen at the age of ten. At fifteen he entered the army and served under the Emperors Constantius and Julian. While in the service he met a poor, naked beggar at the gates of Amiens who asked alms in Christ's Name. Martin had nothing with him except his weapons and soldier's mantle; but he took his sword, cut the latter in two, and gave half to the poor man. During the following night Christ appeared to him clothed with half a mantle and said, "Martin, the catechumen, has clothed Me with this mantle!"

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2014-11-11
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 17, 2014, 12:20:09 AM
St. Elizabeth of Hungary
Elizabeth was the daughter of the Hungarian King Andrew II. At the age of four (b. 1207), she was brought to the court of her future husband, Ludwig, landgrave of Thuringia. After her marriage in 1221, she very conscientiously fulfilled her duties both toward her husband and as a servant of God. During the night she would rise from bed and spend long periods in prayer. Zealously she performed all types of charitable acts; she put herself at the service of widows, orphans, the sick, the needy. During a famine she generously distributed all the grain from her stocks, cared for lepers in one of the hospitals she established, kissed their hands and feet. For the benefit of the indigent she provided suitable lodging.

After the early death of her husband (in 1227 while on a crusade led by Emperor Frederick II), Elizabeth laid aside all royal dignities in order to serve God more freely. She put on simple clothing, became a tertiary of St. Francis, and showed great patience and humility. Nor was she spared intense suffering - the goods belonging to her as a widow were withheld, she was forced to leave Wartburg. In Eisenach no one dared receive her out of fear of her enemies. Upon much pleading a shepherd of the landgrave permitted her to use an abandoned pig sty. No one was allowed to visit or aid her; with her three children, of whom the youngest was not more than a few months old, she was forced to wander about in the winter's cold.

In 1228 she took the veil of the Sisters of the Third Order of St. Francis at Marburg and there built a hospital with some property still belonging to her. She retained for herself only a small mud house. All her strength and care were now devoted to the poor and the sick, while she obtained the few things she needed by spinning. Young in years but rich in good works, she slept in the Lord in 1231, only twenty-four years old.

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2014-11-17
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on November 21, 2014, 01:36:14 AM
At this morning’s mass in St. Martha’s House, Francis warned against the attitude of those faithful who believe they are doing everything right and are close to Jesus, whilst forgetting that Christ dwells within their neighbour and especially the poor. The Pope appealed against the type of Christian who is tempted to follow the Son of the Lord without wanting to be close to the poor and marginalised, isolating themselves in an “ecclesiastical microclimate” which has nothing genuinely ecclesiastical about it.

 

Francis’ homily was inspired on the Gospel sroty of the blind man of Jericho. The Pope remarked that he represents the "first-class of people" who populate the Evangelist Luke's account. A man of no importance, who nevertheless "wanted salvation", "wanted to be cured," and thus shouts louder than the wall of indifference around him until he overcomes this challenge and manages to knock on the "door of Christ's heart". The man is blocked by the circle of disciples, who want to silence him so as not to disturb anyone and in doing distance "the Lord from the peripheries". "This periphery could not get to the Lord, because this circle - but with the best of intentions - closed the door. And this happens frequently, among us believers: when we find the Lord, without even noticing it, we create this ecclesiastical microclimate. And not just priests and bishops, the faithful too: 'We are the ones on the Lord's side! And yet from spending so much time looking at the Lord, we no longer see what the Lord needs: we do not see that the Lord is hungry, thirsty, in prison, in hospital. The Lord, present in the marginalized. This atmosphere does so much bad.”

 

The second group Francis focused on in today’s homily, is made up of those who feel they are the chosen ones: "Now we are elected, we are with the Lord" - and therefore wants to keep "this little world" away from anyone who attempts to "disturb the Lord", even "children". "They had forgotten, had left their first love." "When the faithful, when ministers in the Church, become a group like this ... not ecclesial, but 'ecclesiastical', privileged in their proximity to the Lord, they are tempted to forget their first love, that beautiful love that we all experience when the Lord called us, saved us, told us: 'But I love you so much'. This is the disciples temptation: to forget their first love, that is, forget the margins, where I was before, even if it makes me ashamed.”  

Then there is the third group: the "simple people", who praise God for the healing of the blind man. "How often do we find these simple people, so many old ladies who walk and go" even at great personal sacrifice "to pray at a shrine of the Virgin".  "They do not ask for privileges, they ask for grace alone." It is the "faithful people", the people "who know how to follow the Lord, without asking for any privileges in return" who are able "to spend time with the Lord" and above all never forget the " marginalized Church " of children, the sick, the imprisoned. “Let us ask the Lord for the grace that we, who have received the grace of His call, never, never, never distance ourselves from this Church,” Francis said, concluding this morning’s homily. “Never enter this microclimate of the privileged, ecclesiastical disciples, who distance themselves from the Church of God, which suffers, seeks salvation, seeks faith, seeks God's Word. Let us ask for the grace to be faithful to God, without seeking privileges from the Lord, privileges which distances us from God's people.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/santa-marta-37544/
Title: Fighting for the Poor makes me Catholic
Post by: poche on December 03, 2014, 04:40:47 AM
It isn't possible to be pro-life and simultaneously forget the cries of the poor.” Francis has confirmed his attendance at the World Meeting of Families in Philadelphia next September. The Archbishop of the great US metropolis, Mgr. Charles Chaput, talks to Vatican Insider about the meaning of this visit and about how Francis’ message has been received in the US.

 

Pope Francis has now confirmed his participation at the meeting in Philadelphia scheduled for next September. What do you think will be the focus of this papal visit?

 

“The Holy Father combines two great qualities with unusual skill. He has compassion for people alienated from the Church, and he has courage in speaking the truth with love. He condemns no one. He genuinely shares in the sufferings of persons wounded by the hardships of life. This makes his voice deeply appealing. At the same time, he's also spoken frequently in support of what Paul VI called the "natural family.”  He showed his support again just last week in Rome with his words at the Humanum conference on the complementarity of men and women. A strong natural family is the greatest source of nourishment for healthy human development and the greatest antidote to poverty and loneliness. So I'm sure the Pope will bring that same, simultaneous message of mercy and truth about the family to Philadelphia next year.

Some people waste a great deal of time, and create a great deal of confusion, by trying to interpret what the Holy Father "really" means by his actions.  He doesn't need narrators.  Pope Francis is a man thoroughly grounded in Catholic faith and teaching.  We need to let him do in his own way what God calls him to do: pastor the Church.”

 

How is it possible to announce today, in a secularized society, the Gospel of the family? And how is it possible to respond to the needs and suffering of families broken by a separation or a divorce?

 

“Nothing is stronger than personal witness. If we live our faith as Christian families with generosity and joy, it will naturally attract others. If we don't, no amount of beautiful words or harsh judgments will substitute for that witness. Today's crisis of the family, and all the problems that go with it, shouldn't surprise anyone. In large measure, we created the tragedy ourselves by a combination of poor catechesis of engaged and married couples and by our own poor example of married and family life. The Church needs to do a much better job of evangelizing men and women called to marriage and helping them live out their vocation joyfully. Where divorce does occur, we need to help divorced persons continue on the Christian path, reminding them that God’s love for them endures even in the face of loneliness or abandonment. And we especially need to support the children of divorce, who often end up literally on the margins, caught between the respective lives of their separated parents.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/usa-usa-estados-unidos-francesco-francis-francisco-37743/