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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2022, 02:09:43 PM »
Quote from: Meg on February 05, 2022, 01:29:49 PM
This shows that Fr. Chazal is not a sedeprivationist.

He most certainly is.  He states, and rightly so, that these men are impounded and have no authority, even if they remain the visible head of the Church, due to manifest heresy.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2022, 02:12:03 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 05, 2022, 12:53:24 PM
Once we get an orthodox Pope, I have a suspicion that the R&R attitude will remain, obedience goes down the tubes once the Pope says or does something they don't like. Same with some sedes,  as soon as he says something they think is heresy, he's not the Pope.

It won't remain because the Church will (not "might" as Sean claims) declare them illegitimate and will in the same declaration condemn R&R in order to rehabilitate the reputation of Holy Mother Church.
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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2022, 02:22:38 PM »
Probably worth mentioning Fr. Chazal's own words from an email:

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It is obvious that the Church does not want Catholics to place themselves under heretics, because they will inevitably drag them towards heresy, or at least compromise. That s also the whole debate since 2012.

I really don't care if they call me a sedevacantist if I hold this principle.

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This is from an email re: Canon 2264 and 209.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2022, 03:07:48 PM »
Vatican I:

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For in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been preserved unblemished, and sacred doctrine been held in honor. ... [T]his see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Saviour to the prince of his disciples...


If V2 and the NOM and the V2 papal claimants haven't "blemished" the Holy See with error, then there's no such thing.

This above is what Catholics have always believed, and which Archbishop Lefebvre himself restated.

You guys make a laughing stock of the Church for teaching this.  So if the Apostolic See can go off the rails this badly, hey, maybe the Prots were right after all, or the Orthodox, or the Old Catholics, or even the Modernists.  Many of you have as much if not more disdain for the prerogative of the Magisterium than the Old Catholics did.



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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2022, 03:14:20 PM »
Just the opinions of some theologians:

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Pope Pius XI, Divini Illius Magistri (#18), Dec. 31, 1929: “… God Himself made the Church a sharer in the divine magisterium and by His divine benefit unable to be mistaken.” ... “To this magisterium Christ the Lord imparted immunity from error...”

Pope Gregory XVI, Commissum Divinitus (# 4), May 17, 1835: “... the Church has, by its divine institution, the power of the magisterium to teach and define matters of faith and morals and to interpret the Holy Scriptures without danger of error.”

Pope Leo XIII, Caritatis Studium (#6) July 25, 1898: The Magisterium “could by no means commit itself to erroneous teaching.”

Pope Pius X, Editae Saepe (#8), May 26, 1910: “... only a miracle of that divine power could preserve the Church... from blemish in the holiness of Her doctrine...”

Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas (#22), Dec. 11, 1925: “... the perfect and perpetual immunity of the Church from error and heresy.”

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9), June 29, 1896: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, and that with the consenting judgment [i.e. consensus] of the holy fathers who certainly were accustomed to hold as having no part of Catholic communion and as banished from the Church whoever had departed in even the least way from the doctrine proposed by the authentic magisterium.”

Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 10), Aug. 15, 1832: “Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain ‘restoration and regeneration’ for her (the Church) as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to any failing health or dimming of mind or other misfortune.”

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 10), Jan. 6, 1928: “During the lapse of centuries, the mystical Spouse of Christ has never been contaminated, nor can she ever in the future be contaminated, as Cyprian bears witness: ‘The Bride of Christ cannot be made false to her Spouse: she is incorrupt and modest. She knows but one dwelling, she guards the sanctity of the nuptial chamber chastely and modestly.”

Pope Hadrian I, Second Council of Nicaea, 787: “… Christ our God, when He took for His Bride His Holy Catholic Church, having no blemish or wrinkle, promised he would guard her and assured his holy disciples saying, I am with you every day until the consummation of the world.”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Session 9, March 23, 1440: “…the Spouse of Christ is uncontaminated and modest, knowing only one home, and she guards the sanctity of their marriage bed with chaste modesty.”

Many of these Popes, by the way, are the same one who condemned what would become the errors of Vatican II.  But, hey, if they were mistaken on this stuff above, maybe they were wrong about condeming those things as errors too.
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