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I've repeatedly pointed this out.  At the end of the day, if Jorge Bergoglio were running around spewing heresy in Rome, had Vatican II never happened and the NOM had never happened, I really could hardly care less.  Doesn't affect me.  Not my problem.  Let the Cardinals deal with him.  Unfortunatley due to V2 and the NOM, it became our problem.

This isn't about personal heresy.  This isn't about personal wickedness.  This isn't even about the quarrel over the strict limits of infallibility.  It's about the indefectibility of the Church.  Archbishop Lefebvre clearly, emphatically, and repeatedly stated that this Conciliar Church lacks the marks of the One True Church.

If the Church could teach error, teach heresy even, lead countless souls to loss of faith and loss of their souls through its official teaching, if the Church could produce a rite of public worship that offends God and cannot be attended in good conscience, our Catholic faith is in vain. What is it that we believe in?  How are we different than, say, the Old Catholics?  How are we different from the Protestants, when we say it's OK to "protest" and reject the teaching of the Church and hold that the Catholic Rite of Mass leads to impiety (a proposition of the Prots anathematized by Trent).

Unfortunately, R&R has left many Traditional Catholics holding on to the Catholic faith only by the skin of their teeth.

Let's throw Holy Mother Church under the bus to rescue Bergoglio.  It's more important for us to have some guy walking around dressed in white than to defend the honor and integrity of the Holy Mother Church and the prerogatives of her Magisterium.

I've repeatedly pointed this out.  At the end of the day, if Jorge Bergoglio were running around spewing heresy in Rome, had Vatican II never happened and the NOM had never happened, I really could hardly care less.  Doesn't affect me.  Not my problem.  Let the Cardinals deal with him.  Unfortunatley due to V2 and the NOM, it became our problem.

This isn't about personal heresy.  This isn't about personal wickedness.  This isn't even about the quarrel over the strict limits of infallibility.  It's about the indefectibility of the Church.  Archbishop Lefebvre clearly, emphatically, and repeatedly stated that this Conciliar Church lacks the marks of the One True Church.

If the Church could teach error, teach heresy even, lead countless souls to loss of faith and loss of their souls through its official teaching, if the Church could produce a rite of public worship that offends God and cannot be attended in good conscience, our Catholic faith is in vain.  What is it that we believe in?  How are we different than, say, the Old Catholics?  How are we different from the Protestants, when we say it's OK to "protest" and reject the teaching of the Church and hold that the Catholic Rite of Mass leads to impiety (a proposition of the Prots anathematized by Trent).

Unfortunately, R&R has left many Traditional Catholics holding on to the Catholic faith only by the skin of their teeth.

Let's throw Holy Mother Church under the bus to rescue Bergoglio.  It's more important for us to have some guy walking around dressed in white than to defend the honor and integrity of the Holy Mother Church and the prerogatives of her Magisterium.

Certainly.

Their legitimacy is not a conundrum for R&R as it is for sedes.