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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15571 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2022, 09:07:41 PM »
SV in the practical order, just like all who resist.  No biggie.

Out of curiosity, can you remember the last directive from Rome of any kind that you followed, or even cared about?

Looking at the state of the world, it'll all be resolved sooner rather than later...and not a moment too soon, thank God.

No worries.  :laugh1:  R&R actually agree with these statements from Bergoglio:  heretics, apostates, it matters not, they're all within the communion of saints (aka the Church).

Of course, let me distinguish here, as R&R is not monolithic.  Here are some schools of R&R:

1) He's certainly a legitimate pope (it's dogmatic fact), and we obey him when we can and reject him only when we can't obey in good conscience.
2) He's probably the pope, and, just to play it safe, we should obey him when we can ... etc.
3) He's probably not the pope, but we don't have the authority to decide the matter (Archbishop Lefebvre's true position).
4) He's almost certainly not the pope, but we don't have the authority to decide the matter, but let's play it safe and obey him when we can.
5) He's a manifest heretic who lacks all authority and can and must be ignored entirely, but he remains visibly in possession of the office and only the Church can remove him from it (Fr. Chazal)

#5 of course is effectively privationism.

I myself am somewhere in betwen #4 and #5.

Offline Angelus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2022, 09:11:17 PM »
Francis fits the definition of an anti-pope.  He's technically still vying for the Seat, since Benedict claims to still hold partial office.

The precedence is Antacletus II, anti-pope of 1130.    So you can say he's the "Pope"... and pray for him.  Mother Mary described him as "worm ridden".

St. Francis of Assisi described him as a "non canonically elected destroyer". 

He will go down in history with the name of "Pope" and with the prefix, "anti" for eternity.

Agreed. The bolded part is the reason that Cardinal Bergoglio is not and has never been the authentic Pope.

1. Benedict's "resignation" was not valid according to Canon Law, so whether Benedict intended it or not, he is still the Pope in the eyes of God and by Church law.

2. A new Pope cannot be elected until the See is vacated. So the March 2013 Conclave, even if legitimate in every way, cannot produce a new sitting Pope until Benedict properly resigns.

3. So what we have is the equivalent of Sede Privationism, except that Benedict (not Bergoglio) is the actual Pope and has had his power removed by his enemies (Bergoglio and the C9, aka the 10 horns of the Beast). Benedict is a prisoner, while his putative replacement illegitimately claims the See. All legitimate acts of "the Pope" have ended unless and until Benedict resumes his Papacy or Benedict dies.

4. Everything Bergoglio does is canonically irrelevant, but those who believe the deception that he is the legitimate Pope will be scandalized and fall away from the Catholic faith. So what Bergoglio has done and is doing is practically relevant in the arena of trying to save souls of scandalized Catholics. 

5. If Benedict dies before Bergoglio (which is unlikely), then the questions surrounding illegal vote-trading in Bergoglio's election would come into play. Because of those shenanigans, Bergoglio would still be an illegitimate pope according to Canon Law.

6. The Antichrist will soon be revealed (in less than 3 years). He is either Bergoglio himself or someone close to him in the nascent Counterfeit Church. A new "religion of woke" with the God of the Abrahamic House (Father) and the Mother Pachamama (Mother) will give birth to Brotherhood of Man/Satan (Son). This new Unholy Trinity will be fully-formed Counterfeit Church, the Beast ridden by the Whore of Babylon.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2022, 09:15:34 PM »
Let's not pretend it is merely a question of one man's heresy.  The Immaculate Spouse of Christ has been replaced by the Whore of Babylon, yet you want us to say they both occupy the same space and share the same visible head.

None of the theologians you mentioned was even beginning to theorize about a situation like the one we have faced these last several decades.

I've repeatedly pointed this out.  At the end of the day, if Jorge Bergoglio were running around spewing heresy in Rome, had Vatican II never happened and the NOM had never happened, I really could hardly care less.  Doesn't affect me.  Not my problem.  Let the Cardinals deal with him.  Unfortunatley due to V2 and the NOM, it became our problem.

This isn't about personal heresy.  This isn't about personal wickedness.  This isn't even about the quarrel over the strict limits of infallibility.  It's about the indefectibility of the Church.  Archbishop Lefebvre clearly, emphatically, and repeatedly stated that this Conciliar Church lacks the marks of the One True Church.

If the Church could teach error, teach heresy even, lead countless souls to loss of faith and loss of their souls through its official teaching, if the Church could produce a rite of public worship that offends God and cannot be attended in good conscience, our Catholic faith is in vain.  What is it that we believe in?  How are we different than, say, the Old Catholics?  How are we different from the Protestants, when we say it's OK to "protest" and reject the teaching of the Church and hold that the Catholic Rite of Mass leads to impiety (a proposition of the Prots anathematized by Trent).

Unfortunately, R&R has left many Traditional Catholics holding on to the Catholic faith only by the skin of their teeth.

Let's throw Holy Mother Church under the bus to rescue Bergoglio.  It's more important for us to have some guy walking around dressed in white than to defend the honor and integrity of the Holy Mother Church and the prerogatives of her Magisterium.

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2022, 09:18:17 PM »
Agreed. The bolded part is the reason that Cardinal Bergoglio is not and has never been the authentic Pope.

1. Benedict's "resignation" was not valid according to Canon Law, so whether Benedict intended it or not, he is still the Pope in the eyes of God and by Church law.

2. A new Pope cannot be elected until the See is vacated. So the March 2013 Conclave, even if legitimate in every way, cannot produce a new sitting Pope until Benedict properly resigns.

3. So what we have is the equivalent of Sede Privationism, except that Benedict (not Bergoglio) is the actual Pope and has had his power removed by his enemies (Bergoglio and the C9, aka the 10 horns of the Beast). Benedict is a prisoner, while his putative replacement illegitimately claims the See. All legitimate acts of "the Pope" have ended unless and until Benedict resumes his Papacy or Benedict dies.

4. Everything Bergoglio does is canonically irrelevant, but those who believe the deception that he is the legitimate Pope will be scandalized and fall away from the Catholic faith. So what Bergoglio has done and is doing is practically relevant in the arena of trying to save souls of scandalized Catholics.

5. If Benedict dies before Bergoglio (which is unlikely), then the questions surrounding illegal vote-trading in Bergoglio's election would come into play. Because of those shenanigans, Bergoglio would still be an illegitimate pope according to Canon Law.

6. The Antichrist will soon be revealed (in less than 3 years). He is either Bergoglio himself or someone close to him in the nascent Counterfeit Church. A new "religion of woke" with the God of the Abrahamic House (Father) and the Mother Pachamama (Mother) will give birth to Brotherhood of Man/Satan (Son). This new Unholy Trinity will be fully-formed Counterfeit Church, the Beast ridden by the Whore of Babylon.
The fact that Benedict is still alive is somewhat providential. He "resigned" (whether or not one believes it) in 2013 and is still alive and, last I checked, quite well. That's very strange given all that's been going on.

Whether or not he's the Pope is beyond me. I doubt it. But know that Bergoglio simply cannot be because A: he is a manifest heretic; and B: he is most likely not even a real priest since he was ordained in the new rite, Benedict is at least a legitimate priest yet (not that that helps the Pope question anyway)

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2022, 09:18:27 PM »
Agreed. The bolded part is the reason that Cardinal Bergoglio is not and has never been the authentic Pope.

1. Benedict's "resignation" was not valid according to Canon Law, so whether Benedict intended it or not, he is still the Pope in the eyes of God and by Church law.

Oh, stop it already.  Ratzinger is as big of a heretic as Bergoglio; he's just less flamboyant and open about it.  Spend a few minutes reading Bishop Tissier's paper on the heresies of Ratzinger.  Even "Cardinal" Kasper (the friendly ecuмenist) stated that there's no substantial difference between Bergoglio's theology and that of Ratzinger ... just in their expression of it.  Nor was the Deuce any better, except that the latter actually held the line on moral theology ... while of course destroying dogmatic theology and being the greatest purveyor of religious indifferentism in history.

And this Whore of Babylon wasn't just born in 2013.  It started in 1958, when the wicked infiltrators replaced the legitimately elected Pope Gregory XVII (Siri) with one of their operatives and agents.  Are you people blind?  An enemy hath done this, to quote Our Lord.  V2 and the NOM have the devil's hoofprints all over it (and Jєωιѕн Masonic Communist fingerprints).  This isn't just a few random guys who had weak faith.  If they had any faith at all, the Holy Spirit would have kept them from doing what they did to the Church.