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  • The latest from Antipope Frankie:

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    In fact, the communion of saints does not concern only those brothers and sisters who are beside me at this historic moment, or who live in this historic moment, but also those who have concluded their journey, the earthly pilgrimage and crossed the threshold of death. They too are in communion with us. Let us consider, dear brothers and sisters, that in Christ no one can ever truly separate us from those we love because the bond is an existential bond, a strong bond that is in our very nature; only the manner of being together with one another them changes, but nothing and no one can break this bond.

    “Father, let’s think about those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?” Yes, these too. All of them. The blasphemers, all of them. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven, and on earth the saints, the sinners, all.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/02/02/pope-francis-audience-communion-saints-242321

    So, where does this leave the RnR position? Either you have clown ecclesiology and "recognize" but "resist" this clear attack on the oft defined dogma or you can call this as it is objectively.  Everyone always makes fun of "Feeneyites" but this is, as anyone who believes in EENS wants to constantly point out, the heart of The Crisis.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2022, 04:13:11 PM »
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  • The Deuce said the same thing in Redemptor Hominis and Redemptoriis Missio.  Those who do not want to see will not see.

    Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united Himself forever through this mystery.

    Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990: “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, „for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.‟”
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2022, 04:14:00 PM »
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  • Relevant: https://novusordowatch.org/2022/02/faithless-francis-apostates-part-of-church/

    :popcorn:

    So, where does this leave the RnR position? Either you have clown ecclesiology and "recognize" but "resist" this clear attack on the oft defined dogma or you can call this as it is objectively.  Everyone always makes fun of "Feeneyites" but this is, as anyone who believes in EENS wants to constantly point out, the heart of The Crisis.
    Where it always has been: recognizing that this "Pope" said something, and resisting it.


    Also, Francis' horrific "Abu Dhabi declaration" is now officially a part of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis and can be considered an official "papal act."
    https://novusordowatch.org/2022/02/human-fraternity-declaration-becomes-papal-act/
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2022, 04:17:58 PM »
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  • The Deuce said the same thing in Redemptor Hominis and Redemptoriis Missio.  Those who do not want to see will not see.

    Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united Himself forever through this mystery.

    Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990: “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, „for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.‟”
    It's okay, they "recognized" and "resisted" these like Assisi and Unitatis Redentegratio as well as the Joint Lutheran Statement etc.
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
    Francis is Pope.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2022, 04:18:30 PM »
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  • There has to be a real Crisis in the Church, otherwise the Traditional Movement as a whole is not legit, and we have no business resisting the Pope's orders (disobeying him) OR declaring the See to be vacant as the Sedes do.

    So there's a REAL Crisis in the Church, and has been, since Vatican II.

    In short: Big yawn.

    "There's a Crisis in the Church!" you say? "For realz, boys and girls!" you say?
    Yeah, I know. I've known that since I was a child, as soon as I was older than a baby.

    What did YOU think I meant by Crisis in the Church? I certainly wasn't kidding around, and I have NO delusions about this Crisis being anything close to "Lite" or minor.
    I've known it was a "for realz" Crisis since I could use my faculty of Reason.


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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2022, 04:24:16 PM »
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  • There has to be a real Crisis in the Church, otherwise the Traditional Movement as a whole is not legit, and we have no business resisting the Pope's orders (disobeying him) OR declaring the See to be vacant as the Sedes do.

    So there's a REAL Crisis in the Church, and has been, since Vatican II.

    In short: Big yawn.

    "There's a Crisis in the Church!" you say? "For realz, boys and girls!" you say?
    Yeah, I know. I've known that since I was a child, as soon as I was older than a baby.

    What did YOU think I meant by Crisis in the Church? I certainly wasn't kidding around, and I have NO delusions about this Crisis being anything close to "Lite" or minor.
    I've known it was a "for realz" Crisis since I could use my faculty of Reason.


    P.S. Nice clickbait title.
    Another day, another heresy. Big yawn from you, big guy?
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #6 on: February 04, 2022, 04:35:13 PM »
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  • Another day, another heresy. Big yawn from you, big guy?

    Yeah. I can't concern myself about every heretic on earth uttering a heresy today. I'd literally have no time for anything else.

    You bet your "headline revelation" is a yawner. You're reporting news that's 50 years old. I'd call that late to the party!

    I'm not a naive child. Of course there is evil in the world, including heresy. But I don't let it rule me.

    My philosophy in this matter:
    "Let the dead bury the dead, and come, follow me." -Our Lord
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #7 on: February 04, 2022, 04:36:28 PM »
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  • Yeah. I can't concern myself about every heretic on earth uttering a heresy today. I'd literally have no time for anything else.

    How 'bout just the guy you say is the pope?


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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #8 on: February 04, 2022, 04:38:03 PM »
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  • How 'bout just the guy you say is the pope?

    Don't you get it? This latest newsflash changes nothing. 10 years ago we had a bad Pope. Yesterday we had a bad Pope. We still have a bad Pope. What of it?
    I'm going to keep on keeping the Faith in my lifeboat chapel. No change. No news.

    That's why Sedes LOVE sites like NovusOrdoWatch and Traditio. They wait with bated breath for any new heresy from Rome, so they can pounce on it and act like "Now you non-Sedes have to come over to our side!!!"

    No, we don't.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #9 on: February 04, 2022, 04:41:03 PM »
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  • Yeah. I can't concern myself about every heretic on earth uttering a heresy today. I'd literally have no time for anything else.

    You bet your "headline revelation" is a yawner. You're reporting news that's 50 years old. I'd call that late to the party!

    I'm not a naive child. Of course there is evil in the world, including heresy. But I don't let it rule me.

    My philosophy in this matter:
    "Let the dead bury the dead, and come, follow me." -Our Lord
    I agree on all points, we are both Privationists so it makes sense.
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #10 on: February 04, 2022, 04:45:57 PM »
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  • I'm going to keep on keeping the Faith in my lifeboat chapel. No change. No news.
    ...
    No, we don't.

    SV in the practical order, just like all who resist.  No biggie.

    Out of curiosity, can you remember the last directive from Rome of any kind that you followed, or even cared about?

    Looking at the state of the world, it'll all be resolved sooner rather than later...and not a moment too soon, thank God.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #11 on: February 04, 2022, 04:46:56 PM »
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  • SV in the practical order, just like all who resist.  No biggie.
    Haha yeah it's just Rome bro!!
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
    Francis is Pope.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #12 on: February 04, 2022, 04:50:57 PM »
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  • Don't you get it? This latest newsflash changes nothing. 10 years ago we had a bad Pope. Yesterday we had a bad Pope. We still have a bad Pope. What of it?
    I'm going to keep on keeping the Faith in my lifeboat chapel. No change. No news.

    That's why Sedes LOVE sites like NovusOrdoWatch and Traditio. They wait with bated breath for any new heresy from Rome, so they can pounce on it and act like "Now you non-Sedes have to come over to our side!!!"

    No, we don't.
    No.  It's you who doesn't "get it".  There's a difference between a "bad pope" and a "heretic pope".  

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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #13 on: February 04, 2022, 05:00:00 PM »
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  • No.  It's you who doesn't "get it".  There's a difference between a "bad pope" and a "heretic pope". 
    There is absolutely nothing this man can't do or say.  He'll still just be a "bad pope".  :fryingpan:

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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #14 on: February 04, 2022, 05:20:26 PM »
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  • There is absolutely nothing this man can't do or say.  He'll still just be a "bad pope".  :fryingpan:
    That's why I simply do not care to argue the SV vs. R&R point on here anymore. You'd think TC would've done it, but nope, "it's just like the 80s again!"; Abu Dhabi (now an official "papal act"), crickets...
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]