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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15507 times)

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The latest from Antipope Frankie:

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In fact, the communion of saints does not concern only those brothers and sisters who are beside me at this historic moment, or who live in this historic moment, but also those who have concluded their journey, the earthly pilgrimage and crossed the threshold of death. They too are in communion with us. Let us consider, dear brothers and sisters, that in Christ no one can ever truly separate us from those we love because the bond is an existential bond, a strong bond that is in our very nature; only the manner of being together with one another them changes, but nothing and no one can break this bond.

“Father, let’s think about those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?” Yes, these too. All of them. The blasphemers, all of them. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven, and on earth the saints, the sinners, all.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/02/02/pope-francis-audience-communion-saints-242321

So, where does this leave the RnR position? Either you have clown ecclesiology and "recognize" but "resist" this clear attack on the oft defined dogma or you can call this as it is objectively.  Everyone always makes fun of "Feeneyites" but this is, as anyone who believes in EENS wants to constantly point out, the heart of The Crisis.

Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2022, 04:13:11 PM »
The Deuce said the same thing in Redemptor Hominis and Redemptoriis Missio.  Those who do not want to see will not see.

Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united Himself forever through this mystery.

Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990: “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, „for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.‟”


Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2022, 04:14:00 PM »
Relevant: https://novusordowatch.org/2022/02/faithless-francis-apostates-part-of-church/

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So, where does this leave the RnR position? Either you have clown ecclesiology and "recognize" but "resist" this clear attack on the oft defined dogma or you can call this as it is objectively.  Everyone always makes fun of "Feeneyites" but this is, as anyone who believes in EENS wants to constantly point out, the heart of The Crisis.
Where it always has been: recognizing that this "Pope" said something, and resisting it.


Also, Francis' horrific "Abu Dhabi declaration" is now officially a part of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis and can be considered an official "papal act."
https://novusordowatch.org/2022/02/human-fraternity-declaration-becomes-papal-act/

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2022, 04:17:58 PM »
The Deuce said the same thing in Redemptor Hominis and Redemptoriis Missio.  Those who do not want to see will not see.

Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united Himself forever through this mystery.

Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990: “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, „for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.‟”
It's okay, they "recognized" and "resisted" these like Assisi and Unitatis Redentegratio as well as the Joint Lutheran Statement etc.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2022, 04:18:30 PM »
There has to be a real Crisis in the Church, otherwise the Traditional Movement as a whole is not legit, and we have no business resisting the Pope's orders (disobeying him) OR declaring the See to be vacant as the Sedes do.

So there's a REAL Crisis in the Church, and has been, since Vatican II.

In short: Big yawn.

"There's a Crisis in the Church!" you say? "For realz, boys and girls!" you say?
Yeah, I know. I've known that since I was a child, as soon as I was older than a baby.

What did YOU think I meant by Crisis in the Church? I certainly wasn't kidding around, and I have NO delusions about this Crisis being anything close to "Lite" or minor.
I've known it was a "for realz" Crisis since I could use my faculty of Reason.


P.S. Nice clickbait title.