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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15500 times)

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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #95 on: February 06, 2022, 01:15:25 PM »
Fr. Chazal also wrote this:

"An important Roman principle remains: "Non Nocere" (do no harm). It was perfectly understood by Archbishop Lefebvre, who retained whatever could be retained of today's Papacy and rejected ever more clearly, especially after 1988, the pestilence of heresy.

The Papacy is of Divine Institution (can 100.1), it still serves a purpose until the end of times. By reducing it to a cardboard level, a Pandora's box is being opened."
Uh, your boys in white cassocks from Gammarelli have done nothing but harm for 55+ years.  +ABL (and you) kept the white cassocks, but bagged the rest.

As for reducing the papacy to a cardboard cutout, that is precisely what so-called R&R does:

"Papa is over there, drooling like the senile wacko he is; we completely ignore everything he says or does, but at least we have the consolation of knowing he is there."

In case I missed your answer in the other thread, could you tell us how many pages of St. Thomas, whether in Latin or English (or French, etc), you have read in your many years of high-level study?  Thank you in advance for your honest response.

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #96 on: February 06, 2022, 03:49:06 PM »
You didn't respond to the ENTIRE quotation, which damn well DOES SAY that Christ is united to EVERY MAN FOREVER.
In the sense that Christ took on a human nature, in the sense that Adam is united to every man, yes.


Offline Meg

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #97 on: February 06, 2022, 04:31:18 PM »
Uh, your boys in white cassocks from Gammarelli have done nothing but harm for 55+ years.  +ABL (and you) kept the white cassocks, but bagged the rest.

As for reducing the papacy to a cardboard cutout, that is precisely what so-called R&R does:

"Papa is over there, drooling like the senile wacko he is; we completely ignore everything he says or does, but at least we have the consolation of knowing he is there."

In case I missed your answer in the other thread, could you tell us how many pages of St. Thomas, whether in Latin or English (or French, etc), you have read in your many years of high-level study?  Thank you in advance for your honest response.

I've read at least 30-40 pages pages. I never claimed high-level study. Perhaps you believe that exaggeration will make a better case for you. 

What is Gammarelli? Must be a sedevacantist term that I'm not familiar with. 

I can see that you are offended by Fr. Chazal's description of sedevacantism as reducing the papacy to a cardboard cutout. However, he is FAR more charitable in his analysis of sedevacantism that you are of R&R. You are easily offended, but he is not. That's one of the reasons why R&R is superior to sedevacantism. 

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #98 on: February 07, 2022, 11:56:47 AM »
What is Gammarelli?
A famous ecclesiastical tailor based in Rome

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2022, 01:55:22 PM »
The Deuce said the same thing in Redemptor Hominis and Redemptoriis Missio.  Those who do not want to see will not see.

Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united Himself forever through this mystery.

Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990: “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, „for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.‟”
JP2 of Assisi praying with pagans fame wasn't notably more orthodox (even with a plurality of orthodox seeming docuмents) repeatedly accepted pagan blessings. To think how the martyrs cheerfully accepted death rather than do that. Francis just makes it plain, not of the goobledegook of JP2. Sedevacantism is no easy fix. Some espouse the non una cuм fabrication and Thuc orders are major a point of dispute.