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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15614 times)

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Offline Meg

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2022, 10:56:14 PM »
Right, according to the principle of R&R, the Church could theoretically become thoroughly corrupt in the 99% of her doctrine that hasn't been infallibly defined.  That's just flat-out wrong.  Magisterium of the Church can never become thoroughly corrupted like it would be if it were still operating through the Conciliar Church.

R&R doesn't generally deal in theories regarding the Crisis, or the exotic explanations or future predictions that sedevacantists often provide, or which sometimes speaks of doom for anyone who will not see it their way. 

We accept that there's a Crisis that we cannot really do much about, except to try to keep the Faith as best we can, and to try to keep informed about important matters.

Sedevacantists, for the most part, believe that if only they can get all trads on their side, then the Crisis will somehow go away, as if the solution is only a human one. 

Fr. Chazal also wrote this:

"An important Roman principle remains: "Non Nocere" (do no harm). It was perfectly understood by Archbishop Lefebvre, who retained whatever could be retained of today's Papacy and rejected ever more clearly, especially after 1988, the pestilence of heresy.

The Papacy is of Divine Institution (can 100.1), it still serves a purpose until the end of times. By reducing it to a cardboard level, a Pandora's box is being opened."

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #91 on: February 06, 2022, 09:01:17 AM »
Your cognitive dissonance is utterly mind-boggling.
All I am doing is accepting actual teachings of the magisterium, of the Church which can never err that you yourself posted.

To you, this is cognitive dissonance because you refuse to believe and accept the same teachings, apparently because they disagree with your sedeism.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2022, 09:07:10 AM »
Right, according to the principle of R&R, the Church could theoretically become thoroughly corrupt in the 99% of her doctrine that hasn't been infallibly defined.  That's just flat-out wrong.  Magisterium of the Church can never become thoroughly corrupted like it would be if it were still operating through the Conciliar Church.
If you were sincere, you would have said R&R is according to the principle of St. Thomas, which is the "Principle: Only when the Faith is in question" as +ABL said and as I quoted him saying.

You posted teachings of the Church decreeing that the magisterium is always infallible - R&R believe it, you do not believe it simply because you believe the NO version of what the magisterium is.
 

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #93 on: February 06, 2022, 09:25:02 AM »
This is why I don't see the point in even arguing because it's always going to be a matter of these Popes not issuing a direct command or infallible statement, therefore we can just ignore him. That has NEVER been the case ever.
I see you avoid answering questions same as all the sedes, (while saying all questions have been answered) but as was pointed out to you, as +ABL said, (which agrees with my signature), the principle involved is this "Principle: Only when the Faith is in question. Only in this case. Not in other cases... only when the Faith is in question [we can disobey]... and that is found in the Summa Theologica..."

So you see, not issuing a direct command or infallible statement is not really the issue, those are not at issue because the conciliar popes have not bound us to anything, certainly not to anything we can submit to......but please feel free to let us all know anything he wants us to do that we can submit to without offending God.

 

Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #94 on: February 06, 2022, 11:55:05 AM »
Sedevacantists, for the most part, believe that if only they can get all trads on their side, then the Crisis will somehow go away, as if the solution is only a human one.

I went straight from NO to SV in 1999.  In all that time, I have never met a single person who gave the impression, explicitly or implicitly, that he believed such utter nonsense.

Having seen you attribute numerous non-existent thoughts, beliefs, attitudes, etc., to SVs, only one thing is true: your own understanding of what SVs actually think is unspeakably incorrect. 

Are we supposed to think you play cards with SVs on the regular?  Why would anyone think an ardent anti-SV like you has remotely reliable sources for info about the thoughts of SVs?  You continuously make up absolute nonsense and speak of it as legitimate, verifiable truth.  No bueno, lady -- no bueno.