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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15499 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2022, 04:24:31 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on February 05, 2022, 04:11:05 PM
Well, the quotes are certainly true, but does nothing to advance your sede position, nothing whatsoever. 

Your cognitive dissonance is utterly mind-boggling.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2022, 04:30:31 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 05, 2022, 04:24:31 PM
Your cognitive dissonance is utterly mind-boggling.
This is why I don't see the point in even arguing because it's always going to be a matter of these Popes not issuing a direct command or infallible statement, therefore we can just ignore him. That has NEVER been the case ever.
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Offline Meg

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2022, 05:14:31 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 05, 2022, 02:09:43 PM
He most certainly is.  He states, and rightly so, that these men are impounded and have no authority, even if they remain the visible head of the Church, due to manifest heresy.

No authority? Here's one of the paragraphs from what Fr. Chazal says on the backcover of his book, Contra Cekadam:

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"It will not hurt sedevacantists to hear that if something is left of the authority of Francis, it is in no way to enable him to spread heresy any further. Barriers against heresy were erected by our Fathers: let us use them even against a reigning Pope."  end quote. 
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2022, 05:40:00 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 05, 2022, 04:01:08 PM
That doesn't say all are saved, though. The Redemption only makes it possible for everyone to save his soul.

You didn't respond to the ENTIRE quotation, which damn well DOES SAY that Christ is united to EVERY MAN FOREVER. Universal salvation.  Heresy.  Wake up.

Your stupidity, while clearly beyond measure, is not an excuse in this case.

Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united Himself forever through this mystery.

Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990: “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, „for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.‟”
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2022, 06:20:43 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 05, 2022, 04:30:31 PM
This is why I don't see the point in even arguing because it's always going to be a matter of these Popes not issuing a direct command or infallible statement, therefore we can just ignore him. That has NEVER been the case ever.

Right, according to the principle of R&R, the Church could theoretically become thoroughly corrupt in the 99% of her doctrine that hasn't been infallibly defined.  That's just flat-out wrong.  Magisterium of the Church can never become thoroughly corrupted like it would be if it were still operating through the Conciliar Church.
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