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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15495 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2022, 01:22:16 PM »
Stop this nonsesne.  It isn't theologians of the last few centuries.  This is the universal teaching of the Church from the beginning, from the Church Fathers, from Popes, Doctors of the Church, etc.  Your ecclesiology is decidedly in lockstep with that of the Prots and Old Catholics.
Ridiculous.

Forgive me for not taking your word for it again oh great one - I will watch in case you ever post some quote from the Church since this teaching is universally taught by the Church - should be easy for you to do.

Offline Meg

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2022, 01:29:49 PM »
Father Chazal articulated a position that gives R&R a lifeline to avoid a heretical ecclesiology, and yet they refuse to take it.

I'd love to understand why people like SeanJohnson, who's all about the Resistance, rejects Father Chazal's position.  What do you disagree with Father Chazal about?

Fr. Chazal takes Cardinal Catejan's position. Remember what I posted earlier on the thread? Here's what Fr. Chazal wrote in his book, Contra Cekadam:

"Catejan does not say that one has to refuse the jurisdiction of the suspect Pontiff, as you contend (addressing Fr. Cekada), but that someone could, for good reasons."

This shows that Fr. Chazal is not a sedeprivationist. 


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2022, 01:30:01 PM »
As I indicated above, you falsely appropriate Archbishop Lefebvre as a proponent of your position.  While the Archbishop never took the step of publicly declaring the See vacant, deferring to the Church's final decision, he clearly agreed that the papacy is protected by the Holy Spirit from this degree of destruction.  He speculated about how this could have happened, given that premise and opts not to make a definitive conclusion, although he repeatedly stated that it's quite possible that the See is vacant.  You on the other hand reject the premise entirely and try to co-opt Archbishop Lefebvre as a dogmatic R&R.

It's no different than when the BoDers co-opt the Church Doctors who believed in BoD as if they were defenders of their position that infidels could be saved.
I am not the one falsely appropriating Archbishop Lefebvre as a proponent of my position,perhaps if you would simply click on the link you would have saw that maybe? My position is his, and the Church's, always has been and always will be. You conveniently missed the part where I based "my position" on V1's dogmatic teaching I guess.

You talk a great talk for a sede, but if you ever try to quote actual Church teachings instead of ad libbing from theologians of the last few centuries to support your opinions, you will find only Church teachings that disagree with everything you say regarding sedeism.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2022, 01:43:12 PM »
Once we get an orthodox Pope, I have a suspicion that the R&R attitude will remain, obedience goes down the tubes once the Pope says or does something they don't like. Same with some sedes,  as soon as he says something they think is heresy, he's not the Pope.
DL, you are being as ridiculous as Lad now. PLEASE tell us ANYTHING that the conciliar popes have decreed as binding on the faithful at all - or at least anything that we could obey. 




Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2022, 01:49:42 PM »
DL, you are being as ridiculous as Lad now. PLEASE tell us ANYTHING that the conciliar popes have decreed as binding on the faithful at all - or at least anything that we could obey.


Several Canonizations.