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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15499 times)

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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2022, 08:45:56 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 04, 2022, 10:08:22 PM
Their legitimacy is not a conundrum for R&R as it is for sedes.

:laugh1: Apparently, having a Satanic Whore rather than an Immaculate Spouse as a mother isn't a "conundrum" either.  As they say Down Under, "Go for your life, mate!"

If the V2 anti-popes, when all is said and done, ARE legitimate and Holy Church can systematically devour Her own children for decades, then there is NO POINT in even having a church of any kind and it has all been an enormous, disastrous joke.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2022, 08:52:48 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 05, 2022, 08:32:56 AM
Every Traditional Catholic instinctively understands that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church, which is why they have separated from it.  But they play these mental games for various psychological reasons that I'm not going to get into here.  Tragically the result is a heretical and decidedly non-Catholic view of the Church.  I get the whole "I don't have the authority to decide this issue" ... to a point.  But we've ALREADY "decided" by separating ourselves from the Conciliar Church. 

Yup.  Every Trad is de facto SV, whether or not they both grasp and admit it.

How many on CI would say that O'Biden is illegitimate?  Upon what grounds?  Merely reviewing publicly-available evidence?  Should we not all wait for Congress to decide the matter before being so bold and brazen as to use our own eyes and minds and speak the truth with our own tongues?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2022, 08:55:53 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 05, 2022, 08:29:51 AM
No, the quasi-heretical R&R falsely appropriate Archbishop Lefebvre to their side.  Archbishop Lefebvre agreed that it's not possible that a legitimate pope could do these things because he would be protected and guided by the Holy Spirit.  He simply fell short of openly declaring it out of deference to the Church's authority.  There are many citations and a long audio recording of the Archbishop saying these things.  Fr. Ringose posted the audio when he became sedevacantist.

Do you agree with the Archbishop that a legitimate pope cannot pepetrate this degree of destruction because he's protected by the Holy Spirit?
As expected, you did not answer the question again so I will go through the motions and ask it again.... +ABL spelled it out nicely, what exactly do you disagree with?

I do not expect you to answer, I am merely pointing out to you the bs R&R deal with by having pertinent questions that challenge sedeism, consistently, completely and conveniently for sedes, ignored - which must be due to that intellectual pride thing DL mentioned.

Whether +ABL said that or not I do not know, nor does it matter who, if anyone, ever said it - no, I do not agree with it and I base my disagreement with that idea on V1's dogmatic teaching, I do not base it on my opinion or anyone else's opinion. (See, it's easy to give a clear answer to a clear question - just fyi).


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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2022, 09:12:19 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 05, 2022, 08:32:56 AM



I too started as a normal Traditional Catholic, going on just a Catholic instinct that this isn't the true Church and isn't compatible with it.  But then I started reading pre-Vatican II theology and ecclesiology, and it absolutely and categorically and unequivocally condemns as non-Catholic the principles behind R&R.

Ah yes, the theologians of the "indefectible" simply ordinary and authoritative magisterium, which lacks the marks of universality and infallibility.


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Ezekiel 13:6-8

They see vain things, and they foretell lies, saying: The Lord saith: whereas the Lord hath not sent them: and they have persisted to confirm what they have said. [7] Have you not seen a vain vision and spoken a lying divination: and you say: The Lord saith: whereas I have not spoken. [8] Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Because you have spoken vain things, and have seen lies: therefore behold I come against you, saith the Lord God.

Lamentations 2:14

Thy prophets have seen false and foolish things for thee: and they have not laid open thy iniquity, to excite thee to penance: but they have seen for thee false revelations and banishments.

Jeremiah 5:12-13

For the house of Israel, and the house of Juda have greatly transgressed against me, saith the Lord. [12] They have denied the Lord, and said, It is not he: and the evil shall not come upon us: we shall not see the sword and famine. [13] The prophets have spoken in the wind, and there was no word of God in them: these things therefore shall befall them.

Jeremiah 7:3-4

Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Make your ways and your doings good: and I will dwell with you in this place. [4] Trust not in lying words, saying: The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, it is the temple of the Lord.

And we wonder why V2 and the Conciliar abomination was visited upon us?


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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2022, 10:02:13 AM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on February 05, 2022, 09:12:19 AM
Ah yes, the theologians of the "indefectible" simply ordinary and authoritative magisterium, which lacks the marks of universality and infallibility.
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And we wonder why V2 and the Conciliar abomination was visited upon us?

I agree that this is a major factor with sedeism and the crisis overall. Namely, that certain theologians of the last few centuries whose wrong teachings are wrongfully believed by many, including Lad, to be authentic Church teachings - even though they either contradict, confuse, or in one way or another do not agree with actual, authentic teachings of the Church.
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