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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15503 times)

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #170 on: February 27, 2022, 05:42:42 PM »
Meg,
my mistake, I forgot to post the reference; its from the Denzinger, Pius X, "Praestantia Scriptura" Dz-2114
https://patristica.net/denzinger/#n2100

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #171 on: February 27, 2022, 07:54:30 PM »
Meg,
my mistake, I forgot to post the reference; its from the Denzinger, Pius X, "Praestantia Scriptura" Dz-2114
https://patristica.net/denzinger/#n2100

Thanks for providing a source. It comes from a Motu Proprio called, "Praestantia Scriptura" by Pope Pius X. Unfortunately, the Popes aren't bound, as far as I know, by Motu Proprios of other popes. But still, it may apply to others in the hierarchy, but how much force does a Motu Proprio really have? After all, it's obvious that all of the Modernists in the Church at that time didn't leave the Church after fearing an automatic excommunication by the above Motu Proprio. They probably ignored it. 

I don't understand why Pope Pius X didn't call a Council in order to address the heresy of Modernism. That's what Councils are supposed to be for - to address error, and clarify and promote truth. It would have been more binding of course if a Council had condemned the heresy of Modernism. Though the Modernists may still have ignored it. Why God allowed the Crisis to occur isn't really clear. 


Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #172 on: February 27, 2022, 08:43:53 PM »
Meg,
"Popes are not bound by the M.P.'s Of other Popes"
I didn't know that they weren't. I'm interested in your source.

Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #173 on: February 27, 2022, 08:45:36 PM »
True. Plus in this special case we have the SSPX, named after St. Pius X, which since it's foundation managed to fail to inform people about the real situation. They've talked a lot about Modernism, called out many Modernists, but still treated them as Catholics, as if they were Catholics.
How "did they treat them as Catholics"?  You treat people as Catholics, by threatening them with excommunication?

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #174 on: February 28, 2022, 12:55:55 AM »
How "did they treat them as Catholics"?  You treat people as Catholics, by threatening them with excommunication?

They'd still be Catholic, yes. Excommunication doesn't take that away. Or the threat of it.