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Offline Michael Wilson

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #150 on: February 26, 2022, 08:57:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on February 25, 2022, 09:08:31 PM
    Question? Did the pope have a valid ordination for the priesthood?  Was the sacrament of Holy Orders changed, in the new rite? So, I do wonder if the pope has any true sacraments of even consecration.  Says the New Order mass, no sacraments for the people.  Is this a True pope?  Define pope,
    Pope Francis was ordained in 1969, therefore after the promulgation of the New rite of orders. 
    Pope is the Vicar of Christ, successor of St. Peter, and head of the Catholic Church.
    "Is he a true Pope?" There is legitimate doubts that he isn't even a Catholic.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #151 on: February 26, 2022, 08:59:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on February 25, 2022, 09:56:52 PM
    Does this pope say, pray, the true mass?  No.  If he does not say the true mass, can he be considered a true pope? I say no. Is this not abomination desolation? Yes.  The True Mass has the deposits of faith. Does the new order?  Is a pope against faith and morals when they go against the True Mass?
    He always say the N.O.M.
    He is opposed to the T.L.M. And is slowly working to suppress it.
    He is also working to suppress what is left of Catholicism in the Conciliar Church.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #152 on: February 26, 2022, 09:01:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Michael Wilson on February 26, 2022, 08:57:12 AM
    Pope Francis was ordained in 1969, therefore after the promulgation of the New rite of orders.
    Pope is the Vicar of Christ, successor of St. Peter, and head of the Catholic Church.
    "Is he a true Pope?" There is legitimate doubts that he isn't even a Catholic.

    Doubts, yes. Absolute proof - no. 

    Is he a true pope? That's a question. It isn't proof that Francis isn't the Pope. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #153 on: February 26, 2022, 01:52:56 PM »
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    • Meg.
    A person  who believes that all men are saved; or that people who are living together in sin can be in the state of grace (just to take two examples), certainly doesn't hold what the Catholic Church teaches and believes in.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #154 on: February 26, 2022, 03:50:25 PM »
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    • Thank you Michael Wilson, tweet, tweet.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #155 on: February 26, 2022, 07:09:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michael Wilson on February 26, 2022, 01:52:56 PM
    Meg.
    A person  who believes that all men are saved; or that people who are living together in sin can be in the state of grace (just to take two examples), certainly doesn't hold what the Catholic Church teaches and believes in.

    The Church has been occupied by Modernists for awhile now. Were you not aware of that? 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #156 on: February 27, 2022, 10:13:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 26, 2022, 07:09:49 PM
    The Church has been occupied by Modernists for awhile now. Were you not aware of that?
    "Modernists" then are not Catholic, correct? It is clear that if one holds that "all men are saved" or that "all religions are willed by God", then one holds to doctrines that are not compatible with the Catholic faith.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #157 on: February 27, 2022, 10:20:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Michael Wilson on February 27, 2022, 10:13:13 AM
    "Modernists" then are not Catholic, correct? It is clear that if one holds that "all men are saved" or that "all religions are willed by God", then one holds to doctrines that are not compatible with the Catholic faith.

    What did Pope Pius X say about Modernism? Did he say that all Modernists are not at all Catholic, and that they were automatically out of the Church, and that the Catholic Church would eventually defect? He knew that Modernism had infiltrated the Catholic Church. But he did not see the situation like sedevacantists do. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #158 on: February 27, 2022, 10:52:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 27, 2022, 10:20:04 AM
    What did Pope Pius X say about Modernism? Did he say that all Modernists are not at all Catholic, and that they were automatically out of the Church, and that the Catholic Church would eventually defect? He knew that Modernism had infiltrated the Catholic Church. But he did not see the situation like sedevacantists do.

    St. Pius X "did not see the situation" AT ALL because he died decades before V2 and the utter insanity that has followed.  Such a claim is not only groundless, it is meaningless.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #159 on: February 27, 2022, 11:13:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Michael Wilson on February 19, 2022, 05:40:43 PM
    Msgr. Lefebvre goes from affirming that the Pope can be heretical as "a private doctor or theologian", to treating of "to what extent Pope Paul VI willed to engage his infallibility....". But this is a jump from one subject to another;

    It's setting up a false dichitomy, without a middle ground.  If the Pope is not engaging infallibility, then he's teaching as a private doctor.  With all due respect to Archbishop Lefebvre, that's utterly absurd.  When a Pope issues an encyclical to the Universal Church, he is not acting / teaching as a private doctor, but as the teacher of all the faithful, even if he's not engaging infallibility.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #160 on: February 27, 2022, 11:22:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 26, 2022, 07:09:49 PM
    The Church has been occupied by Modernists for awhile now. Were you not aware of that?

    You seem to be equating being "occupied by Modernists" -- i.e., some of the members of the Roman Catholic Church are as-yet-undisciplined Modernists as individuals -- with the demonstrable fact that the entire entity formerly known as the Roman Catholic Church is now and has been for more than five decades unabashedly Modernist in Her clearly-altered doctrine, worship and discipline.  These two situations are not even remotely equivalent.
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #161 on: February 27, 2022, 12:05:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 27, 2022, 10:20:04 AM
    What did Pope Pius X say about Modernism? Did he say that all Modernists are not at all Catholic, and that they were automatically out of the Church


    Yes, that is exactly what Pope St. Pius X said and decreed. Defend any one modernist proposition, and you're ipso facto excommunicated, having automatically thrown yourself out of the Church.

    See cathinfo



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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #162 on: February 27, 2022, 12:21:48 PM »
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    by Our Apostolic authority, We repeat and confirm not only that Decree of the Sacred Supreme Congregation, but also that Encyclical Letter of Ours, adding the penalty of excommunication against all who contradict them; and We declare and decree this: if anyone, which may God forbid, proceeds to such a point of boldness that he defends any of the propositions, opinions, and doctrines disproved in either docuмent mentioned above, he is ipso facto afflicted by the censure imposed in the chapter Docentes of the Constitution of the Apostolic See, first among those excommunications latae sententiae which are reserved simply to the Roman Pontiff. This excommunication, however, is to be understood with no change in the punishments, which those who have committed anything against the above mentioned docuмents may incur, if at any time their propositions, opinions, or doctrines are heretical; which indeed has happened more than once in the case of the adversaries of both these docuмents, but especially when they defend the errors of modernism, that is, the refuge of all heresies.[/size]
    St. Pius X excommunicated any of those who publicly defended the Modernists errors. The Modernist George Tyrrel, a Jesuit and Alfred Loisi a French priest and famous author were both excommunicated and died outside the Church.
    From a Conservative N.O. Site: https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2019/02/pope-pius-x-modernism-john-perricone.html
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    Truly, the “synthesis of all heresies.” Not just one aspect of the Faith was threatened, but the very Faith itself. Not just one aspect of God’s truth disappeared, but God himself. No wonder Pius X knew he must count no cost too great in addressing this malignancy. He mandated every one of his bishops around the globe to hunt down this heresy and crush it. The saint commanded that every priest solemnly proclaim an oath against Modernism as a prerequisite for reception of Holy Orders[/size]
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #163 on: February 27, 2022, 12:32:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michael Wilson on February 27, 2022, 12:21:48 PM
    St. Pius X excommunicated any of those who publicly defended the Modernists errors. The Modernist George Tyrrel, a Jesuit and Alfred Loisi a French priest and famous author were both excommunicated and died outside the Church.
    From a Conservative N.O. Site: https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2019/02/pope-pius-x-modernism-john-perricone.html

    It's good that Fr. Loisy was excommunicated. Why didn't didn't Pope Pius X excommunicate all of the Modernists? 
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    Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
    « Reply #164 on: February 27, 2022, 12:34:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on February 27, 2022, 12:32:12 PM
    It's good that Fr. Loisy was excommunicated. Why didn't didn't Pope Pius X excommunicate all of the Modernists?

    He did. Follow the link in my previous post. His motu proprio is on papalencyclicals.net.
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