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Author Topic: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?  (Read 15550 times)

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #125 on: February 10, 2022, 09:12:46 AM »
If the sedes would like to inform R&R of those teachings which we can obey, then we could have a conversation about it.

As it is, the way the sedes pose the accusation it's as if the sedes would like R&R to obey whatever the pope teaches without any regard whatsoever to the faith, just like the many, who of their own free will choose to blindly submit and are on the road to hell because of it.

Well, first off, Catholics believe the Pope is protected from such things by the Holy Ghost. So to "blindly submit" as you call it, is par the course. Second, Pius IX lays the main problem out pretty simply in the Syllabus:

22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. — Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, “Tuas libenter,” Dec. 21, 1863.

But, given how you have been going round and round this hamster wheel for years now, nothing I nor any other SV can present will change your "Stubborn" mind

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #126 on: February 10, 2022, 09:42:46 AM »
But, given how you have been going round and round this hamster wheel for years now, nothing I nor any other SV can present will change your "Stubborn" mind


I think that sedevacantists want us to obey them, since they believe that there is no Pope. Since the sede church is a church of the laity, the laity might as well dictate the terms. And the terms are that all trads must be sedes. Well, some of us aren't going along with that. Sorry, but that's just how it is. 


Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #127 on: February 10, 2022, 11:21:36 AM »

I think that sedevacantists want us to obey them, since they believe that there is no Pope. Since the sede church is a church of the laity, the laity might as well dictate the terms. And the terms are that all trads must be sedes. Well, some of us aren't going along with that. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
No, we actually just want you to realize that the position you hold is contradictory. And we've proven that over and over and over again. But alas, nothing changes.

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #128 on: February 10, 2022, 11:23:22 AM »
Well, first off, Catholics believe the Pope is protected from such things by the Holy Ghost. So to "blindly submit" as you call it, is par the course. Second, Pius IX lays the main problem out pretty simply in the Syllabus:

22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. — Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, “Tuas libenter,” Dec. 21, 1863.

But, given how you have been going round and round this hamster wheel for years now, nothing I nor any other SV can present will change your "Stubborn" mind
Bolded is false. Per V1, the pope is protected from error when he defines a doctrine ex cathedra. Against V1, NOers and sedes do not believe this.

From the Syllabus #22, we are not bound to any new teachings, we are bound "to those things *only* which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church."


If you ever want to get off the hamster wheel - then inform R&R of those authoritative and uniquely conciliar teachings which we can obey.

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Re: Feb 2nd 2022, The Day RnR Admit Antipope Francis is Not in the Church?
« Reply #129 on: February 10, 2022, 11:36:51 AM »
No, we actually just want you to realize that the position you hold is contradictory. And we've proven that over and over and over again. But alas, nothing changes.
You say it is contradictory because of a misguided notion of authority. If it were an angel preaching a new Gospel, St. Paul tells us we are to let him be anathema, not insist he's not an angel. Tell St. Paul he's preaching contradictions.