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Author Topic: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome  (Read 3759 times)

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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #130 on: Today at 09:49:30 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 09:12:41 AM
Imagine you are a catechumen. You are told by Roman authorities to either bow to a statue of their emperor or they will execute you on the spot. 
Roman persecutions did not happen, non-stop for 300 years.  Certain roman rulers didn't persecute Christians.  But when bad rulers started persecutions, it was enacted by law.  Christians were outlawed and everyone knew it.  In those cases, catechumens WERE BAPTIZED (because the Church wanted them to be saved).  And those BAPTIZED catholics were STILL CALLED CATECHUMENS.  

That's why they had the graces for martyrdom.
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Re: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #131 on: Today at 10:06:08 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 09:49:30 AM
Roman persecutions did not happen, non-stop for 300 years.  Certain roman rulers didn't persecute Christians.  But when bad rulers started persecutions, it was enacted by law.  Christians were outlawed and everyone knew it.  In those cases, catechumens WERE BAPTIZED (because the Church wanted them to be saved).  And those BAPTIZED catholics were STILL CALLED CATECHUMENS. 

That's why they had the graces for martyrdom.
Except that I directly quoted a historical example that contradicts your position, proving that it is absolutely and definitively false.

The fact you just ignored the Saint I talked about and did as if she didn't exist is proof that you are wrong. 
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Re: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #132 on: Today at 10:17:19 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 10:06:08 AM
Except that I directly quoted a historical example that contradicts your position, proving that it is absolutely and definitively false.

The fact you just ignored the Saint I talked about and did as if she didn't exist is proof that you are wrong.
No one is pretending she doesn't exist. The story of St. Emerentiana's martyrdom is that she was killed several days after the martyrdom of St. Agnes. Plenty of time to receive Baptism 
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Re: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #133 on: Today at 10:42:15 AM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 10:17:19 AM
No one is pretending she doesn't exist. The story of St. Emerentiana's martyrdom is that she was killed several days after the martyrdom of St. Agnes. Plenty of time to receive Baptism
Can you provide ANY traditional biography of St Emerentiana that says she was baptized? Otherwise that is only a hallucination you are inventing to justify a heretical position. 

I'll remind you of the etymology of the word heresy. It comes from Greek and it means "choice". Your choice of interpretation, or the Church's , which one matters? 
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Re: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #134 on: Today at 10:47:04 AM »
Baptism of Blood is a completely separate issue than BOD.  Quit trying to make them the same.  That's your problem.
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