Author Topic: FDS: Feeney Derangement Syndrome (Read 3768 times)

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #75 on:** **Yesterday** at 09:04:35 AM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on Yesterday at 05:29:59 AM

Nice try. Justification has a precise theological meaning.

That's why a) I called it something different -- natural justification. b) I told you I made up the phrase c) showed you the concept from Trent.

I literally said I made up the phrase, and then you go try to look it up on the internet. Really?? If I made up the phrase, you're not going to find it anywhere else except here. Duh.

Incredulous · « **Reply #76 on:** **Yesterday** at 09:35:17 AM »

Quote from: Godefroy on Yesterday at 04:21:49 AM

I very much enjoyed this text. Catholics are born for combat.

The diocese of Paris allowed a number of churches to be used, during the night of the 6/6/26 as exhibition areas for contemporary "art". The organiser of this "Nuit Blanche" (Sleepless Night) was Barbara Butch, an obese Jєωιѕн lesbian well known for her mockery of Da Vinci's Last Supper at the opening of last year's olympics.

Inside and outside the churches that had been scheduled for these exhibits young (and not so young) catholics gathered to pray the rosary. This resulted in several arrests and the press describing the street prayers as violent actions by right wing militants .https://youtu.be/d7Cb6Cy-TRY?

Thanks for the update the "Nuit Blanche" exhibitions in Paris' churches.

Realistically, the world's Catholic eyes should be fixed on Paris since Marie Julie Jahenny explained it will be the bellwether city for the spread of the kinetic Revolution.

There will be many signs in Paris and throughout France marking the countdown to the Three Days of Darkness. After Paris is consumed by fire, demonic activity explodes world wide.

I wish there were trad webcam outposts with bilingual sentires in Paris and Brittany that would report on the sequence of upcoming events. It could assist the remnant Catholic world to be better prepared for the plagues and multilayer chaos.

Lazarus · « **Reply #77 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:23:44 AM »

After re-thinking about the argument we had over baptism of desire and what Trent's council says, I decided to check the latin from Trent's council.

The argument used by feyneites is that Trent's council says that the sentence from Trent's council means we need both baptism and the desire of baptism to be baptised. They argue that after all, an adult cannot be baptised against their consent, since it'd make baptism invalid.

The usual interpretation of Trent's council is that to be saved we need baptism OR we need the desire of baptism. That's the interpretation that people who push for BOD think is correct.

To verify which interpretation is correct, here's the latin :

Trent council says :

"C. iv. Quibus verbis justificationis impii descriptio insinuatur, ut si translatio… Quae quidem translatio post Evangelium promulgatum, sine lavacro regenerationis aut ejus voto, fieri non potest, sicut scriptum est : Nisi quis renatus fuerit exaqua et Spiritu Sancto, non potest introire in regnum Dei."

Trent council says "aut" which means OR it does not mean and. That means, we need either baptism OR the desire of baptism, we do not need baptism AND the desire of baptism.

If Trent's council wanted to say that we needed both, it would use the word "et" not "aut".

I believe St Alphonsus of Liguori had better knowledge of latin than Fr Feeney. He wrote a whole treatise of moral theology (Theologia Moralis) in latin. What practice of latin did Fr Feeney have compared to this ?

I think this should settle the debate. Feeney's interpretation is incorrect.

I think his mistake was made in good faith, from what we can see in his biography he wasn't an unpious person.

Stubborn · « **Reply #78 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:56:39 AM »

Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 06:43:00 AM

St Alphonsus Liguori said, in Theologica Moralis, book 6 :

“But baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things, accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true baptism of water, whose place it supplies as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character, nor as to the removal of every debt of punishment. It is called ‘of desire’ [flaminis], because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost, who is called a wind [flamen]. … It is of faith that men are also saved by baptism of desire, according to the canon Apostolicam, ‘de presbytero non baptizato,’ and the Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 4, where it is said that no one can be saved without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.”

The only real and valid question about baptism of desire is whether God will not need to do the sacrament of baptism in order to save someone who meets the all the required conditions for baptism of desire and save them directly, or whether God will send an angel to baptize them before their death. God is omnipotent, He can easily do either of those things.

St. Alphonsus clearly said: "The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary...." The fact that he himself then says that no sacrament is necessary via saying that a man is also saved via a BOD, is why we rely on actual Church teachings - which says the sacrament is necessary.

Trent says justification cannot be effected without the laver of regeneration. No matter what it says after that, it says this clearly.

Trent goes on to say "or the desire thereof" - justification cannot be effected without the laver of regeneration or the desire thereof." Note Trent does not reward salvation or justification via the desire thereof.

It ends saying "As it is written..." (John 3:5). Note that here, God does not reward salvation even with the sacrament, He only says that there is no salvation without it.

Meanwhile BODers go around preaching all over the place that salvation via a BOD is a teaching of the Church, a de fide doctrine, twist Trent to fit their agenda and that God does not mean what he said.

Lazarus · « **Reply #79 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:17:54 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 10:56:39 AM

St. Alphonsus clearly said: "The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary...." The fact that he himself then says that no sacrament is necessary via saying that a man is also saved via a BOD, is why we rely on actual Church teachings - which says the sacrament is necessary.

St Alphonsus is a Church Doctor. He got two doctorates when he was 16.

I ask you : do you even have a single doctorate ? In latin perhaps or in philosophy?

Fr Feeney had 0.

How can you think that St Alphonsus would blatantly contradict himself, in a contradiction that a 12 years old would notice? Do you think the title of Church Doctor is given randomly to anyone? What is the more reasonable possibility : St Alphonsus the Church Doctor genius with 2 doctorates at 16 years old contradicts himself OR your interpretation of St Alphonsus is wrong?

Do you believe in this pathetic and delusional revolutionary left wing idea that human beings are equals? You don't even have 1% of St Alphonsus' intellect. I do not say that to belittle you, I do not have 1% of his intellect either!

Who is superior? St Alphonsus or you? Clearly, St Alphonsus completely and utterly destroys you in every metric that matters. He also completely obliterates Fr Feeney.

Do even you understand how ridiculous it is for someone like you to dare think your judgment is better than St Alphonsus'?

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