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Fatima Prediction in Doubt, as Portugal Abandons the
 "Dogma of the Faith"

Portugual's Parliament Approves the Immoral Horror of "gαy Marriage"

From: The Fathers

Now that Once-Catholic Portugal Has Been Taken over by the Newchurch of the New Ordo Our Lady's Prediction Has Been Brought into Doubt
That the Dogma of the Faith Will Always Be Preserved in Portugal
As Portugal Approves "gαy Marriage"

Supposedly, the "Third Secret of Fatima" contained the following prediction: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved." If that is true, Portugal has apparently made Our Lady of Fatima out to be a liar, when, on March 5, 2010, the Portuguese parliament approved 125-99 the immoral horror of "gαy marriage." The parliament wouldn't even let the people vote on the matter in a referendum.

Portugal becomes the sixth country in once-Catholic Europe to recognize this perversion in a country where sodomy was a crime there until 1982. Abortion was rescinded as a crime in 2008. The first "gαy marriage" ceremonies will take place in April 2010, a month before Benedict-Ratzinger is supposed to visit to give the once-Catholic country to give it his Novus Ordo blessing. So, although Portugal is sinking fast into unCatholic immorality, the Newpope of Newchurch singles out a sodomy- and abortion-happy country for a blessing instead of an interdict! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Sydney Morning Herald.]

The sentence fragment 'In Portugal the dogma of the Faith

will always be preserved, etc.'  is not a complee thought.

What does the rest of the sentence say?  

Until the rise of Anitchrist?

In a few remote monasteries?

Until a sacreligious shrine is built?

Not that the Parlimentary ruling is something to toss off lightly, not at all.  Look what happened to Haiti right afterwards.

The possibilites are endless.

The "Fathers" have become very dour and depressing in the past several years.

And what Sedetrad said is true, anyway.

As I've pointed out, "sempre" or "siempre" in the Romance languages does not mean forever as in saecula saeculorum, just continuously -- and it could in fact imply an "until".  An analogy in English can be seen in a phrase such as "I always drive my car to work."  It means that I never do anything else, not that I'll be driving my car to work for the rest of my life.

Nevertheless, I would urge everyone to look at my "What is heresy?" thread.  Notice how Our Lady referred specifically to the "dogma" of the Faith and not the Faith as a whole.  She could be saying that basic dogmas will be retained (as they in fact still officially are in the Novus Ordo) with an avalanche of theological error.  There's a world of difference between heresy (corollary to dogma) and error.

I never was a bigger supporter of "in Portugal the Dogma of Faith will always be preserved" part.......looking at Portugal today, they are little different than Spain, little better than Italy..........

So in Portugal the dogma of the Faith will continue to be preserved until [the horrors mentioned in the Third Secret].

Notice the "sempre" as "will continue to be" or "will continuously be" preserved ... until ...

"Sempre" means always.

If that were true, then the whole world has kept the faith, and the Apostasy is all in my perfervid imagination.

"dogma" of the faith.  If you have a look, most mainline conservative Novus Ordo types still profess belief in all the dogmas of the Church.  Obviously, according to the polls, 80-90% of Novus Ordo pew-sitters are heretics on one point or another.

Again, Raoul, I think that you're missing the distinction between dogma (and, conversely, heresy) and theologically-certain truths (conversely, errors).

"Sempre" means always.

Not necessarily in the sense of "forever"; it can mean "continuously" or, as I rendered it, will "continue to be" (and can almost anticipate an "until" [... Vatican II?] ).