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Fatima Prediction in Doubt
« on: March 18, 2010, 09:21:46 AM »
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    Fatima Prediction in Doubt, as Portugal Abandons the
     "Dogma of the Faith"

    Portugual's Parliament Approves the Immoral Horror of "Gay Marriage"

    From: The Fathers

    Now that Once-Catholic Portugal Has Been Taken over by the Newchurch of the New Ordo Our Lady's Prediction Has Been Brought into Doubt
    That the Dogma of the Faith Will Always Be Preserved in Portugal
    As Portugal Approves "Gay Marriage"

    Supposedly, the "Third Secret of Fatima" contained the following prediction: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved." If that is true, Portugal has apparently made Our Lady of Fatima out to be a liar, when, on March 5, 2010, the Portuguese parliament approved 125-99 the immoral horror of "gay marriage." The parliament wouldn't even let the people vote on the matter in a referendum.

    Portugal becomes the sixth country in once-Catholic Europe to recognize this perversion in a country where sodomy was a crime there until 1982. Abortion was rescinded as a crime in 2008. The first "gay marriage" ceremonies will take place in April 2010, a month before Benedict-Ratzinger is supposed to visit to give the once-Catholic country to give it his Novus Ordo blessing. So, although Portugal is sinking fast into unCatholic immorality, the Newpope of Newchurch singles out a sodomy- and abortion-happy country for a blessing instead of an interdict! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Sydney Morning Herald.]

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    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 09:28:23 AM »
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  • If portugal has ten traditional Catholic families, then it has preserved the dogma of the faith. If it has one saintly trad Cath, then it has preserved the dogma of the faith.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 09:44:01 AM »
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  • The sentence fragment 'In Portugal the dogma of the Faith

    will always be preserved, etc.'  is not a complee thought.

    What does the rest of the sentence say?  

    Until the rise of Anitchrist?

    In a few remote monasteries?

    Until a sacreligious shrine is built?

    Not that the Parlimentary ruling is something to toss off lightly, not at all.  Look what happened to Haiti right afterwards.

    The possibilites are endless.

    The "Fathers" have become very dour and depressing in the past several years.

    And what Sedetrad said is true, anyway.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 09:53:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    If portugal has ten traditional Catholic families, then it has preserved the dogma of the faith. If it has one saintly trad Cath, then it has preserved the dogma of the faith.


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     So I guess you are saying this is one particular exclusion were you can't judge by the fruits. My intuition tells me that fleeing from Sodom would be the appropriate response. No wonder there are people here who tell you not to talk about the bible. That could endanger churchianity.


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    « Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 11:28:15 AM »
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  • As I've pointed out, "sempre" or "siempre" in the Romance languages does not mean forever as in saecula saeculorum, just continuously -- and it could in fact imply an "until".  An analogy in English can be seen in a phrase such as "I always drive my car to work."  It means that I never do anything else, not that I'll be driving my car to work for the rest of my life.

    Nevertheless, I would urge everyone to look at my "What is heresy?" thread.  Notice how Our Lady referred specifically to the "dogma" of the Faith and not the Faith as a whole.  She could be saying that basic dogmas will be retained (as they in fact still officially are in the Novus Ordo) with an avalanche of theological error.  There's a world of difference between heresy (corollary to dogma) and error.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 11:45:27 AM »
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  • An SSPX priest, who had spent a few years in Portugal, told me in the mid-nineties that Portugal was gone regarding the faith, and that caused him to wonder what exactly Our Lady meant by what she said.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 11:47:12 AM »
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  • I never was a bigger supporter of "in Portugal the Dogma of Faith will always be preserved" part.......looking at Portugal today, they are little different than Spain, little better than Italy..........
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 12:13:21 PM »
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  • I agree that Portugal is no better than anywhere else in the world today.  I imagine that Our Lady brought up Portugal just because She was appearing there.  Also, Portugal did consecrate itself to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and experienced something of a Catholic rebirth after that.  So She may be referring to that as well--without, again, the "sempre" necessarily meaning "forever" in the Romance languages.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 12:16:09 PM »
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  • So in Portugal the dogma of the Faith will continue to be preserved until [the horrors mentioned in the Third Secret].

    Notice the "sempre" as "will continue to be" or "will continuously be" preserved ... until ...

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    « Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 06:18:37 PM »
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  • Ladislaus said:
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    "She could be saying that basic dogmas will be retained (as they in fact still officially are in the Novus Ordo)..."


    If that were true, then the whole world has kept the faith, and the Apostasy is all in my perfervid imagination.

    So Ladislaus, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you, interested in purchasing?  

    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 06:21:42 PM »
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  • "Sempre" means always.
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS


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    « Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 06:24:15 PM »
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  • How do you explain that God sent His Mother down to Earth with an important secret which was then detained by John XXIII, as if a message straight from God's mother could be held up by bureaucratic red tape at Checkpoint Charlie?  I think if God has a real message to get through, it gets through.  
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 07:30:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    If that were true, then the whole world has kept the faith, and the Apostasy is all in my perfervid imagination.


    "dogma" of the faith.  If you have a look, most mainline conservative Novus Ordo types still profess belief in all the dogmas of the Church.  Obviously, according to the polls, 80-90% of Novus Ordo pew-sitters are heretics on one point or another.

    Again, Raoul, I think that you're missing the distinction between dogma (and, conversely, heresy) and theologically-certain truths (conversely, errors).

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    « Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 07:38:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    How do you explain that God sent His Mother down to Earth with an important secret which was then detained by John XXIII, as if a message straight from God's mother could be held up by bureaucratic red tape at Checkpoint Charlie?  I think if God has a real message to get through, it gets through.  


    I already pointed out to you the precedent of the Sacred Heart of Jesus asking for the consecration of France.  God gave us free will.  Sometimes God keeps things in a certain amount of obscurity so that those of good faith can see them while those who are not cannot.  So most Traditional Catholics know full well that the Third Secret was a warning about Vatican II.

    1960

    January 25 strange light in the sky (January 25 J23 announces Vatican II)

    leaks from Cardinals that it refers to an apostasy in the Church beginning at the top

    Having lived through Vatican II now, we know full well what the Third Secret contains, and Our Blessed Mother knew that it would help console, comfort, and fortify us in these dark times to know that She had warned us about it, that V2 was in fact a great chastisement rather than a glorious renewal of the Church by the Holy Spirit.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 18, 2010, 07:45:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    "Sempre" means always.


    Not necessarily in the sense of "forever"; it can mean "continuously" or, as I rendered it, will "continue to be" (and can almost anticipate an "until" [... Vatican II?] ).

     

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