Author Topic: Fatima and sedevacantism (Read 10605 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #40 on:** June 16, 2009, 09:56:50 PM »

While I agree that the Western states have been controlled by anti-Christians in a subtle way (at times there is not much subtlety, the point is that the typical Christian can be raised not realizing that the system of government in their country is fundamentally anti-Christian), the fact is that the Communists were bent on the total destruction and subversion of Christianity in a very militant way. Communists with ties to Russia were not just working against the Church in Russia, but everywhere.

By dominating Eastern Europe, the Communists were in a position to blackmail priests and bishops like never before.

The subversion of the priesthood in the Western world was a goal of the Communists.

When I see the phrase "Russia will spread her errors" I see it as meaning Russia will spread the Revolution. The Revolution will try to militantly persecute or craftily subvert the Church everywhere.

To me the question comes down to what happened in 1958 and 1963.

Is it possible, some sort of horrific threat was made that caused those who should have defended the Faith to lose their nerve?

roscoe · « **Reply #41 on:** June 16, 2009, 10:47:42 PM »

While I disagree with your taste in music, this interpretation of Fatima seems to be more realistic than others I have heard.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #42 on:** June 16, 2009, 11:59:22 PM »

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The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.

Only an earthly peace, not the peace of Christ as promised by the Blessed Mother.

That is because the consecration was done late, and not according to the will of the Blessed Virgin.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #43 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:00:25 AM »

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The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.

Only an earthly peace, not the peace of Christ as promised by the Blessed Mother.

That is because the consecration was done late, and not according to the will of the Blessed Virgin.

The consecration was not even done in the manner prescribed and so hence, not done at all. So the peace of Christ did not come out. Any apparent earthly peace during the 1950s fooled many into thinking times were good which they were not, considering that Russia still held her errors and spread them. Those errors are still around today. For one thing, the whole Third Secret has yet to be revealed even if it was not revealed in 1960 or claimed to have been revealed in 2000. Fatima is sadly still put forth as consummated and just something nice for devotion. The argument of MHFM concerning the consecration requested by the Blessed Mother at Fatima is akin to the Novus Ordo argument that the consecration was done in 1984.

CM · « **Reply #44 on:** June 17, 2009, 12:53:18 PM »