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Fatima and sedevacantism
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2009, 10:20:53 AM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Tell me, what is the worth of a Church that elevates a man to the status of Doctor if he teaches heresy (for which he was never censured)?


Infallible decrees.  God speaking through men.  I'd say that's worth a  lot.  The fact is that the popes who utter such decrees do not even have to be fully aware of all the ramifications of what God the Holy Ghost is speaking through them.  Caiaphas did not realize that he was prophesying the Redemption, for example.

Fatima and sedevacantism
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2009, 11:01:12 AM »
No one can be said to be teaching "heresy" until the dogma is actually defined. Before that, it's merely every man's knowledge and opinions on the matter against every other man's. If the truth is not made clear or defined, how can someone be said to be against it, since they have not known it?

Saying St. Thomas was a heretic is like saying no person who lived before Christ went anywhere but hell, because they did not accept Christ. Well, one problem. Before a specific date in history, Christ had not yet come, so there was not yet any issue of denial or no denial for which those people could be condemned.

 Likewise, condemning saints for teaching something in error, before the truth was defined and the error condemned, is equally insane. If they did not know the truth, how could they be guilty of rejecting it?

And if they could NOT be guilty of rejecting what was not yet known certainly, then there is no sin, in which case their personal sanctity is not threatened by their error, even if it WAS, indeed, error. God does not condemn those who are innocent of guilt.

So we need not be threatened by the sainthood of those who unknowingly adhered to heretical positions before they were such. We have only to switch on our Catholic minds, and reject the errors now that we DO know them to be such.

Unfortunately for the lazy man, Catholicism, or indeed the truth in anything, is never something which you can find by just switching off your brain and swallowing everything blindly. None of us are God, so none of us knows everything. That being the case, until the end of time, truth will always need to be picked out from among errors. Which promises always to be confusing at times, difficult at other times, and in some cases virtually impossible in the moment given certain circuмstances. Things will never be simple, and all black and white, and easy for us to find and follow. Even the infallible pope must choose to use his infallibility, so even HE is capable of erring otherwise, so we cannot even follow HIM with total blindness. (As we learned in V2.)

Sorry, but there's no easy way in this life.


Fatima and sedevacantism
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2009, 01:20:15 PM »
A good person to listen to discussing the preternatural, is Father Malachi Martin. I'll try to find one of his interviews with Art Bell in the past. I distinctly remember him discussing this when he was speaking on demonic possession.

Fatima and sedevacantism
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2009, 03:10:39 PM »
Malachi Martin is almost certainly a Marrano Jew.  And he's CERTAINLY a con artist.  

Have you heard of his book Windswept House?  The premise of the book is that the "Slavic Pope" ( as he calls John-Paul II ) is really trying to hold the Vatican and the faith together, but he is besieged by internal and external forces of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

Did you get that?  John-Paul II was the good guy; it was everyone else around him who was trying to make him a heretic!  Sure.  

Actually this book would have worked if it were about Pius XII.  He really was a man surrounded by malign influence with no hope of escape.

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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2009, 03:23:44 PM »
The mere fact that M Martin was of good terms with Art Baal is suspicious in and of itself.