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Offline roscoe

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Fatima and sedevacantism
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2009, 03:29:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Martyr
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    The reason CM is saying that is because the apparition was approved by Benedict XV, who he considers an anti-Pope because of the BoD-confirming 1917 Code of Canon Law.  What he is saying is entirely in character, and consistent, if you accept his logic.  


    That is not at all why I am asserting that Benedict XV was an antipope, sir.  In fact, if it were not for his public utterances of heresy against the salvation dogma (universal salvation to be exact) and Geocentrism, I would not have come to this conclusion about him at all.  Even with the heretical 'Code', which also allows for people to receive sacraments from heretic priests, and for Catholic children to go to non-Catholic schools.

    With all the links to my article on this forum, I am surprised that you would make such a blatant misrepresentation of the theology behind my position.


    Is there any specific docuмent or proclamation where Ben XV(15?) says that he believes the Sun revolves around the Earth?
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    « Reply #31 on: June 16, 2009, 03:45:58 PM »
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    Malachi Martin is almost certainly a Marrano Jєω.  And he's CERTAINLY a con artist.  

    Have you heard of his book Windswept House?  The premise of the book is that the "Slavic Pope" ( as he calls John-Paul II ) is really trying to hold the Vatican and the faith together, but he is besieged by internal and external forces of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

    Did you get that?  John-Paul II was the good guy; it was everyone else around him who was trying to make him a heretic!  Sure.  

    Actually this book would have worked if it were about Pius XII.  He really was a man surrounded by malign influence with no hope of escape.


    Father Martin, at the end of his life, doubted that JPII was a pope by the way. Sometimes, it takes longer for people, and because he had the position he had in the vatican, I'm not surprised it took him so long. The "bad disguises" as Saint Pius X said they had would deceive even the elect.

    At the end of his life, some tried to slander him and claim that he was pro Medjigorje (or however you spell it.) He came out guns ablaze and spoke against it, calling it a "demonic hoax."

    I don't believe he was a "Merrano Jєω." His situation was as precarious as Archbishop Lefevbre, actually.

    Just pray for his soul. He was right on about certain things, especially if you listen to his discussions about possession.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #32 on: June 16, 2009, 03:47:01 PM »
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  • He was IRISH, not a Jєω for the love of....  :cussing: Good grief.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #33 on: June 16, 2009, 03:56:41 PM »
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  • Let's get back to Fatima...  I want people to give me their thoughts about this without waving fingers and getting all righteous.  Gladius -- who I respect greatly by the way -- even insinuated that I was practically denying God by questioning Fatima.  But we are not called upon as Catholics to blindly believe in visions and miracles.  Hasn't anyone heard "A wicked generation seeks a sign?"  

    I could write hundreds of pages about the false prophecies of even Catholic saints.  No one except Anne Catherine Emmerich came close to predicting Vatican II, showing about how much prophecies are worth.  I trust Catholic tradition, my sensus Catholicus, and my own insight into the words of Jesus Christ and the apostles before I will trust an apparition, vision or miracle.  Among the words of Jesus Christ that I believe more than Fatima are included these:  "You are the children of the devil and the desires of your father you will do."  I'll get back to that later.

    That doesn't mean I don't believe in Fatima.  I do believe it, I just want the correct way of interpreting it ( if that's even possible considering we don't know the Third Secret ).  

    It is not the message of Mary that bothers me.  It is the way it has been interpreted.  I am just put off by the way that it reinforces many Americans in their blind dream of "America good, evil communist Russkies bad."  The Bolsheviks who engineered the Russian Revolution were the same Jєωs who controlled and still control America.  When you look at your vice-president Rahm Emmanuel, or the Jєωιѕн neo-cons like Wolfowitz or Perle, you are looking right at new incarnations of Leon Trotsky, the Jєω from Brooklyn who helped establish communism in Russia.  

    I am getting increasingly frustrated with sedevacantist Catholics who refuse to acknowledge this glaring truth.   It seems that when they talk about Fatima, they are deliberately trying to keep people in the dark about their own country.  As a result, we are seeing all kinds of bizarre paradoxes, like Catholics who fight for the devil's children ( Jєωs ) in the Iraq War.   BY NO MEANS could this war be considered a "just war" as defined by the Council of Trent.  Catholics therefore are not protecting their flock from spiritual ruin.  I'm sorry, but I am disturbed by this, and will continue to be disturbed by it.

    In the sede movement there is a disturbing preponderance of Republicans who don't see that both parties are controlled by Jєωs and Freemasons, which is Conspiracy Theory 101 -- I mean, it could not be more basic.  They don't even try to hide it anymore.  You can see this in the way Bush made no effort to actually stop abortion, just as Obama made no effort to actually stop the Iraq War which was associated with the Republican party.  You have socially liberal "conservatives" and war-profiteering "peaceniks."  

    How are we ever going to move ahead if even in our small little enclaves if we are too scared to tell the truth?  Someone like Thomas Droleskey gets it finally, and he ran for public office.  EVERYONE SHOULD GET THIS.  There are no exceptions.

    I just don't know how I'm going to convert people to Catholicism if the Catholics are acting like flag-waving Bush-loving Protestants.  That is highly unappealing.  Obama and Bush are the same -- they even look the same with their jug-ears and Alfred E. Newman faces!  How can someone who can see through Ratzinger, a subtle evil genius, not see through BUSH?!  It is just baffling.

    What does this have to do with Fatima, you ask?  It is that the Fatima message seems ( SEEMS ) to place all the problems of the world on the head of the Russians.  Not the Jєωs, but the "Russians."  This isn't Mary's fault, of course -- she was probably being euphemistic!

    P.S. Need I mention that Western Catholics fought on the same side as Russia in World War II, and still today Catholics who believe in Fatima think we were the good guys?  We supported the EXACT errors that Mary warned against!  We supported Stalinist/Bolshevik Russia!  Do you see that you are all contradicting yourselves?  You're trying to reconcile ideas that cannot be reconciled.  This is how I see Mary's message -- STOP BOLSHEVIK COMMUNIST JUDAISM WHICH HAS TAKEN OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD.  Even when it calls itself "democracy."  

    And I will put my name on this to show that I am not a coward, because I am speaking truth here.

    -- Michael de la Sota
     
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #34 on: June 16, 2009, 04:08:11 PM »
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  • Oh, by no means do I believe that the United States are the "good guys." The foreign policy here is an outrage. A good example is the "Israeli state." The government is advocating nαzι genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza.

    Russia, however "will spread its errors." It is hard to make too many comments on Fatima with certainty, however, if one listens to Malachi Martin on what he has to say about the Third Secret, (which he actually read), one of the things he said was "Unless you believe that there is a "wholesale apostasy among the clergy and laity" of the institution of the Roman Catholic Church. Here's a link. What he has to say is important, IMHO.



    (Disclaimer: I don't agree with the images in the video part posted of other "apparitions" that haven't been approved.)
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #35 on: June 16, 2009, 04:12:59 PM »
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  • I think that is what she said. The errors of Russia, which is communism which of course is from the Jєωs.
    I too get tired of Catholics telling me they are looking for the Republicans to find someone to run against Obama and turn the country around. What fools they are, look at the puppet masters in the last race I would say. Kissinger for McCain (a.k.a. as son of Cain) and then Soros for Obama. Both of them Jєωs.

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    « Reply #36 on: June 16, 2009, 04:19:46 PM »
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  • Oh, Father Martin also said the "conservatives" have less of a clue than anyone!  :laugh1: Here's from an interview I read:

    Q. The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr is quickly becoming a reality.  If we continue to vote conservative men and women into political office can they turn the tide?

    Answer:

    Fr. Malachi:  "No. Conservatives are the last to understand what is happening."

    http://www.roman-catholic.com/Roman/Articles/FrMartinInterview.htm
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #37 on: June 16, 2009, 09:27:24 PM »
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  • The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.


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    « Reply #38 on: June 16, 2009, 09:46:53 PM »
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    The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.


    That was no true peace. Definitely not the peace of Christ.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #39 on: June 16, 2009, 09:47:37 PM »
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    The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.


    Only an earthly peace, not the peace of Christ as promised by the Blessed Mother.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #40 on: June 16, 2009, 09:56:50 PM »
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  • While I agree that the Western states have been controlled by anti-Christians in a subtle way (at times there is not much subtlety, the point is that the typical Christian can be raised not realizing that the system of government in their country is fundamentally anti-Christian), the fact is that the Communists were bent on the total destruction and subversion of Christianity in a very militant way.  Communists with ties to Russia were not just working against the Church in Russia, but everywhere.

    By dominating Eastern Europe, the Communists were in a position to blackmail priests and bishops like never before.

    The subversion of the priesthood in the Western world was a goal of the Communists.

    When I see the phrase "Russia will spread her errors" I see it as meaning Russia will spread the Revolution.  The Revolution will try to militantly persecute or craftily subvert the Church everywhere.

    To me the question comes down to what happened in 1958 and 1963.

    Is it possible, some sort of horrific threat was made that caused those who should have defended the Faith to lose their nerve?


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    « Reply #41 on: June 16, 2009, 10:47:42 PM »
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  • While I disagree with your taste in music, this interpretation of Fatima seems to be more realistic than others I have heard.


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    « Reply #42 on: June 16, 2009, 11:59:22 PM »
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    The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.


    Only an earthly peace, not the peace of Christ as promised by the Blessed Mother.


    That is because the consecration was done late, and not according to the will of the Blessed Virgin.

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    « Reply #43 on: June 17, 2009, 03:00:25 AM »
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    The period of peace was the short period between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.


    Only an earthly peace, not the peace of Christ as promised by the Blessed Mother.


    That is because the consecration was done late, and not according to the will of the Blessed Virgin.


    The consecration was not even done in the manner prescribed and so hence, not done at all. So the peace of Christ did not come out. Any apparent earthly peace during the 1950s fooled many into thinking times were good which they were not, considering that Russia still held her errors and spread them. Those errors are still around today. For one thing, the whole Third Secret has yet to be revealed even if it was not revealed in 1960 or claimed to have been revealed in 2000. Fatima is sadly still put forth as consummated and just something nice for devotion. The argument of MHFM concerning the consecration requested by the Blessed Mother at Fatima is akin to the Novus Ordo argument that the consecration was done in 1984.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #44 on: June 17, 2009, 12:53:18 PM »
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